Monsey, NY +Butcher Sells Treifa Chicken as Kosher+

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    Monsey, NY Butcher Sells Treifa Chicken 5 as Kosher 09/05/06

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    Monsey, NY – Shevach Meats who rented some space inside Hatzlacha grocery store in Monsey, NY was caught selling nonkosher (treifa) chicken as Kosher from Kiryas Yoel.

    His, and the hashgacha’s house of cards came falling down in the middle of last week, when one of the owners of the grocery was told by one worker of Kiryat Joel meat slaughterhouse offhand, that the butcher had not recieved a shipment of chicken from them in 3 weeks. But the owners realized that they had been selling Kiryas Joel chicken the entire time, so they got scared and called their hashgacha.

    The Mashgichim broke into the butcher’s cooler at night and found 19 cases of unmarked chicken, they tasted the skin and it did not taste salty at all. Also did they found that the kidneys were still intact, which on kosher chicken shouldn’t be, since it’s removed before salting.
    At that time they called in the butcher who insisted it was Empire chicken. They checked with an Empire Mashgiach who lives in Monsey who told them that it isn’t their kosher chicken.

    He was immediately ejected from Hatzlacha, as the investigation continued, more came out and it was discovered that for at least 6 months he had been selling twice as much meat retail as he had bought from known Shechita houses, not even counting what he had sold wholesale to halls, yeshivas etc.
    Furthermore, some people had noticed for months that the chicken was less salty than usual, when they asked the butcher about it, he told them that they are using a new low sodium salt in the kashering process, which was false, and that may also extend to meat too.

    H’Rav Weissmandel put out a letter advising everyone to kasher all their keilim.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    How did this matter of Treife chickens morph into Eruv discussions?

    What’s the latest on the Kashrus issue?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    To “everybody has to do the same in public”-

    If the Eiruv issue would have never come up, we would still never all look, walk, talk, dress, think and act the same- NONSENSE!

    Let’s at least be at peace with one another- That’s what Hashem wants from us.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    achdus great
    but what about “LO SISGODUDU” that everybody has to do the same in public. That’s ACHDUS!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Everyone should follow their Rebbe/Rov with the Eruv issue.

    If we keep knocking the other side , we’ll all CH”V suffer more Yesurim this year IN ACHDUS. Is it worth it?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    well I can’t help you look in the sefer dalsei ha’ir
    in odesso the divrei makiel writes in chelek 3 that how can you make a differance between 600,000 in the city or street when we do not see it in the reshonim in chelek 4 he says that if the city is not open from one side to the other side that the 600,000 can not go to both sides of the city there may be an heter.
    but brooklyn that the roads are made in a way that the population can flow all over what heter do you have IT IS A RESHUS HARABIM D’ORAYSO yo need DALSIS.

    emes
    emes
    17 years ago

    i told u already just ….

    READ!!!!
    1) it’s not ME saying it, its in igros moshe!! explaining the above.

    2) boy r you mixed up!! about Warsaw ; there were 2 parts 1 called praga, but the greater part warsaw ‘on its own’ had a population of OVER 600,000

    about the dalsos ; that had nothing to do with the 600,000 ‘reshus harabim’ problem; 1] they coundn’t build a ‘tzuras hapesach’ as a lot of polish cities see avnei nezer (the goyim would rip them etc.)
    2] the whole reason altogether why they needed a tzuras hapesach cause the ‘river freezing’… boy did u create a chulent torah that problem had nothing with the fact that it united the 2 parts …

    just a problem mentioned in all the poskim that when the river freezes it can not be used as a mechitzah anymore see the above tsuvas to r’ segal from stanislover rav

    and in warsaw the mechitzah was the water as mentioned above by GOAN that so it says in Chadushei Harim

    3)Lodz, & Addesa… had over 600,000

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    drei kup
    which city in europe had 600,000 that had an eruv??
    warsaw had two parts of the river together they had about a million the question was since in the winter the river froze if it was counted as one. the radziner rebbe built “dalsis” in warsaw because of this shaila (look in his sefer dalsei ha’ir)

    emes
    emes
    17 years ago

    anon 12.34/ERUV

    If so, whats the whole ‘Hesber’ to what he’s defferentiating between BP to all the great cities in pre-war Europe that contained a population exceeding 600,000 – that the section within the encircled constructed tzuras hapesach had less than 600,000,

    even though the city itself had exceeded to more than 600,000 the tzuras hpesach separates it from the rest of the city!

    the same goes to BP, BUT someone mislead him that NO!! BP DOES have within its tzuras hapesach…. MORE… therefore its’ not like the above cities of Europe….

    JUST READ THE WORDS BLACK ON WHITE !!!

    So u woudn’t fordrei your OWN kupp!!

    goombash
    goombash
    17 years ago

    o.gevald
    you forgot us:
    Orange Jews, Prune Jews, Grape Jews and Tomato Jews. (the rest I don’t really care about)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    I would like to know if you will admit that NO BODY FOOLED RAV MOSHE FEINSTEIN will you do tsuvah???
    RAV MOSHE FEINSTEIN writes that there is 600,000 in “י”ב מיל” boro park & flatbush are in the י”ב מיל it is a reshus harabim now ADMIT is there 600,000 in י”ב מיל RIGHT ?? so what your drein a kup.

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    17 years ago

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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    MF gave a Get to his wife last Sunday. He took a flight to Israel on Tuesday evening

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Is it true that he spent Shabbos in BP with his father?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    To those that point a finger at the Litvishe community and say that only a Litvak could have been behind this crime to humanity, may I remind them, that numbers prove that among frum Jews filling up jails for serious crimes, such as arson and embezzling, the ratio of Litvaks to Chassidim is a tiny fraction. Chassidish criminals specialize in different areas. Only Hashem can judge which group is/has more of a leaning towards serious crime.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    I heard about that rumor too – I doubt it though – The rumor started Tuesday – From the fact that nobody confirmed it by now – This cannot be true – no way – personally – I think this whole story is simply not true – This must have been a setup – From what I hear about Mr Finkel he is a very pious jew – I think he was set up or there is more to the story –

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    MF is alive and well. He is a broken person who is now in hiding for obvious reasons. He gave his wife a get. I cannot disclose where he is but my sources are very reliable.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    CAN ANYONE SUBSTANTIATE OR REFUTE THE RUMORS FLOATING AROUND THE WORLD THAT “MF” COMMITTED SUCIDE???

    emes
    emes
    17 years ago

    anon/eruv 9.49

    I told u already THAT THIS exactly IS your problem:

    YOU JUST CAN NOT READ!!!

    I MYSELF DON’T hold any position that i owe you any explanation at all. I just Quoted and pointed out the words of the ‘Stanislover Rav'(known as the ‘Horei B’samim’) that this his position- as he deals with it on p. 72, And explains so from the g’morah in shabbos (96b) perak h’zorek JUST READ THE WORDS!!

    YES and start learning mesechet shabbos from the main source which is the above g’mora and rashi that says: “moshe heychan etc. b’machneh levi, “umachneh levi’ reshus harabim” ,rashi explains why is only machni levi reshus harabim (and not machnei yisrael) :
    sh’ hakol metzuyan etzel moshe rabeinu ”
    so ask rashi (WHICH U OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T KNOW) your difficulties- not me!

    And as R’ segal wrote – that ON the STREETS of the EAST SIDE there is no 600,000, even though MANHATTAN itself was KNOWN to have more than 600,000- actually close to 2,000,000

    (except to your opinion; or that the mahrsham and the rest lived in a cave!?? that it was ‘poshit’ “concealed” to him through R’ segal’S concealment the simple FACT that….
    Must have been the “CONSPIRACY” of the century ?!!)

    Because 600,000 occuppants WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF IS NOT CONS. R’SHUS HARABIM D’6000,000

    And he explains and deals with it at lenght in his sefer SH’UT OZNEI YEHOSHUA ch 18 (see www. hebrewbooks. org)

    by the way – about your Question look in sefer ‘P’nai yehoshua’ shabbos 5b, explains the same as the Stanislover Rav!!

    PS you still didn’t admit that you realy fouled up on the m’harsham & R segal!

    One more thing – talking about concealing facts- see igros moshe vol 8;28 that some phony mislead Rav moshe to beleive that BP and flatbush “independetly” has a population of 600,000 !!

    (see his position in regards to the eruvin in the greater cities of pre war europe, which the same goes to BP; that if the encirclement of the ‘tzuras hapesach’ has fewer than 600,000 it separates it’s neighborhood from the rest of the city…?!)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    To anon 9:49:
    Please cite where “RAV MOSHE FEINSTEIN writes who ever carries in BORO PARK is a MECHALLEL SHABOS.”

    I assume the cite will refer to a tshuva in the Igros Moshe and will clearly refer to carrying with an eruv.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    to non emes maybe you can explain to me were in machne levi were the 600,000 and when? “Moshe nota oholi mechutz lamachne” the only time was by “hakel” that was three timesin the whole 40 years and that was not on a street of 16 amos. rashi says clearly a city that has 600,000 people living there (eruvin 59) and many times rashi just says 600,000 in the city, NEVER does rashi qoute 600,000 only to a street, EVERY CHILD knows that rashi does NOT use extra words.
    Learn mesectas eruvin and mesectas shabos and stop repeating some clowns that don’t learn RAV MOSHE FEINSTEIN writes who ever carries in BORO PARK is a MECHALLEL SHABOS.

    v'yatziv
    v'yatziv
    17 years ago

    TO:EMES,ANON 11:38

    By the way – according to that mor- An. 11.38

    ( who wrote: ” ‘finkel for the eruv’ cause – rav m. klein is his brother’s uncle’s sister’s grandmother’s somewhat MECHUTAN” ,or something like it)

    Rav Bick and Rav Friedman (tenkah) are surely 100% for the eruv ….

    WHY!?
    Rav Yechazkel Roth shlitah(karlusberg) is Rav FREIDMAN’S MECHUTAN !!! (and not through his sister’s brother’s…etc.- his son is his son-in-law!)

    Come-on every one knew Finkel the phony considred himself “shpits yeshivishe’ guy” who actually WAS against the eruv like the story above – (pase’ld someone that used the ERUV)

    SO CUT IT OUT, AND KEEP TO THE TOPIC!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    now nothing has changed other then chicken costs .50 cents more a pound and people are just being taken for aride by the rabbonim

    emes
    emes
    17 years ago

    to A..n.s. 11:38

    You still can’t get it –

    READ!!!!!

    U R totally mixed up!!

    You agree and point out – that Rav S. clearly writes in his kuntres (p. 19)there r 600,000 in Man.- (it’s just that he told the m’harsham differently – than his kuntras)

    The ‘mahrsham’ clearly starts off his Tshuvah to R’ segal (pg. 58) with those words:

    “I SAW your KUNTERAS that was printed etc……”

    Which is the above tshuvah !!!

    It’s just that u can’t admit and see ANYTHING that goes against your biased crooked kupp.

    All the marsham says in the first place (p. 59) is, are the following words:

    “YOU WROTE ‘HACHA’ LEKAH S”R” which means ‘HERE’ (Meaningly the EAST SIDE where the eruv was made – NOT manht.) THERE ARE NO 600,000!!!

    NOT that MANHATAN doesn’t have 600,000!!!

    The same way u surely read all the tshuvas that GOAN quoted!?!

    NO wonder he’s not responding; guess he’s heeding to our advise …!!

    By the way – look   pg. 75 wrote the same thing to the RAV of ‘stanislov’,
    on pg. 72 he writes clearly his position that the 600,000 need to be like machneh levi’- on one place.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    the satmar rebbi ztl said that the story of the megale amukos. quoted in the last post is not true.he said if it was true it would have been brought down in the shu”t of that time. he said many stories were made up by the maskilim to make the religious look bad

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    goan you still did not admit that the mahrsham writes in his tsuvah that phoney segal told him that there is NO 600,000 to say osei rabim umvatel michiza now look in http://www.Hebrewbooks.org
    {browse to sefer ‘eruv vehotzah’ pg. 59} and you will see clearly what phoney he was he knew there were 600,000 as you said on pg 19 but to the maharsham he lied. Again finkel is menashe klein mechutan he is for the eruv a cut out you belony.
    orthdox jews are not going to blow shofer the first day rosh hashonah “shema yavereno” BELZIES will carry. the holy shabos will be “maliz yosher” for the orthodox jews that do NOT carry and will C”V talk bad on those that disgrace the shabos publicly. look in the minchas uni from the orech lnair.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    taken fron the jp web site
    My Machberes – The kashrus of chickens
    By: Rabbi Gershon Tannenbaum

    Cracow, Poland, Early 1600’s

    Two orphans, both nephews and apprentices of a Cracow kosher butcher, left their oppressive apprenticeships and began their own kosher meat enterprise. Both unlearned, they had developed a secret scheme, wherein they successfully substituted non-kosher meat for kosher meats. Their prices were lower than the other Cracow kosher butchers, who were ultimately driven out of business. The years passed, and the two prospered. They became respected members of the community. They were charitable, admired and esteemed by the whole community. Devout homes felt privileged to patronize the partners. Their meats were considered kosher beyond question.

    Their children entered into marriages with leading families. Their sons-in-laws were Torah scholars. One day one of the two butchers heard his son-in-law discussing the harsh retribution that Heaven inflicts, in the World-to-Come, upon those who cause another Jew to eat non-kosher foods. Shocked by the severity of the punishments, he reflected upon what he had done. He shared his fears and trepidation with his partner, who also was overtaken by panic.

    The two confessed their iniquity and sought the counsel of Rabbi Noson Nota Shapiro (1585-1633), Rav of Cracow and revered author of Megaleh Amukos. Their sin of kosher food fraud shook the Cracow Jewish community, as well as all Jews everywhere. Jewish history records few such measurable deceptions in kosher foods. What happened in Cracow stands out.

    New York City, 1880’s

    The arrival of Torah giant Rabbi Jacob Joseph, zt”l (1840‑1902), in 1888 to serve as chief rabbi of New York, resulted in an open war against those who sold meat whose kashruth was questionable. The battles were fierce, and the chief rabbi sacrificed his health in the struggle. Prior to his arrival, meat sold as kosher had questionable certifications. Personally knowing theshochet (ritual slaughterer) or the vendor as being a truly pious person was considered the best and only guarantee of the meat’s kashruth. The chief rabbi saw beyond facades and sought to bring order to the kosher meat market. Ultimately, his strenuous efforts succeeded to a great degree.

    Rabbi Joseph had ordered a shochet removed from Hi-Grade Kosher Meats, but that particular business establishment refused. The ensuing battle resulted in New York City codifying laws to safeguard kosher clientele, that became state law shortly thereafter. New York State’s kosher laws, enacted more than 100 years ago, greatly served to protect kosher consumers until the law was recently (2004) found unconstitutional and was rewritten. The present Kosher Law Enforcement agency, a division of New York State’s Department of Agriculture and Markets, is headed by Rabbi Luzer Weiss.

    Monsey, 2006

    Late Wednesday evening, August 30, the locked freezer of Shevach Quality Meats at 126 Maple Avenue, Monsey, NY, a tenant of Hatzlacha Groceries, was broken into by the proprietors to determine whether the meats being sold by Shevach were kosher. Shevach had been renting retail space within Hatzlacha, a popular Monsey supermarket. What the proprietors of the supermarket found and saw made their blood turn cold.

    Shevach Quality Meats had begun operating at Hatzlacha more than 10 years ago and offered meats from many of the devoutly-observant slaughterhouses, including Belz, Empire, Kiryas Yoel, Meal Mart (Nirbatur), Satmar Meats (Meal Mart), and Vineland, all of which are unquestionably glatt kosher.

    Shevach’s proprietor was held in high regard within the close-knit Monsey observant community. He served as baal koreh (Torah reader) at a prominent congregation. Shevach’s owner gave the daily Daf Yomi Talmud shiur (lectures) there every morning. In addition, he also served the shul as a shaliach tzibbur (prayer leader) during the Yomim Noraim (High Holy days). He is on the board of a prominent Monsey yeshiva and chaired the annual fund-raising event of another Monsey yeshiva.

    He married into a highly-regarded family and has eight children. He married off five of the eight children to members of distinguished families. All are without blemish. The hechsher, kosher certification, of Shevach’s establishment was provided by a greatly respected senior rav.

    In the past, questions had arisen regarding meat without kosher certification seals delivered by Shevach to caterers and commercial establishments. When the mashgichim (kosher supervisors) complained, they were advised by the certifying rabbi and other rabbis that Shevach must be given the benefit of the doubt because of his good reputation and that the deliveries should be accepted. Nevertheless, there were instances, though very few in number, where mashgichim either resigned or declined to accept the meat deliveries.

    One of the owners of Hatzlacha is a brother-in-law of a key officer of Kiryas Yoel Meats, which is the sales arm of the Kiryas Yoel Beis Hashechita (slaughterhouse). Hatzlacha was unofficially advised that Kiryas Yoel Meats had stopped selling chickens to Shevach several weeks earlier due to late and non payments. Nevertheless, Kiryas Yoel chickens, clearly labeled, continued to be plentiful on Shevach’s refrigerated display shelves.

    In recent months, the number of inquiries on the part of Shevach’s customers increased as to why his meats were not as salty as before. In particular, chicken soups cooked with chickens purchased at Shevach’s were found to lack the traditional salty taste of kosher. In response, Shevach’s owner claimed that Kiryas Yoel Meats were using a new low sodium salt in order to provide healthier chickens. Sometimes the response would be that Kiryas Yoel Meats was cutting back on the amount of salt used to the absolute minimum required by kosher law because of costs, or that inferior salt was being used by Kiryas Yoel.

    The inquiries and complaints recently mushroomed into a cloud of question marks. In particular, an unnamed woman, a recent ba’alas teshuva, remarked that the chickens from Shevach suspiciously reminded her of the non-kosher chickens she had consumed in the past. Nevertheless, Shevach continued to be reckoned as a reliable source of kosher meats. Others complained of sometimes finding some of the chicken’s innards still fully attached, whereas the innards must be completely removed in order to properly salt the chickens in accordance with kosher law.

    Mordechai Greenzweig, one of the owners of Hatzlacha, having heard the many grumbles, and now knowing that Kiryas Yoel had stopped shipping to Shevach, was stunned on that Wednesday to see an ample supply of Kiryas Yoel chickens, clearly labeled as such, on Shevach’s refrigerated display shelves. Discussing the matter with his concerned partners, the decision to act was made. Late that night Hatzlacha’s owners broke into the locked freezers used by Shevach.

    They found boxes and boxes of raw chickens without any indication that the contents were kosher. Unlike kosher chickens, the unmarked chickens were completely free of feathers and stubble. Since kosher chickens are not rinsed in hot water nor treated with chemicals prior to salting, feather removal is never complete. Non-kosher chickens are almost totally free of feather stubs and have a markedly different color. The chickens in Shevach’s boxes also still had their innards intact.

    Shevach’s certifying rabbi was immediately called, as were two independent expert butchers. The butchers examined the chickens, and for an absolute determination, tasted the outer skins for any residue of salt. The certifying rabbi summoned Shevach’s owner who arrived shortly thereafter seemingly unconcerned. When confronted with the non-kosher chickens, he claimed that they were old stock he purchased from Kiryas Yoel a while back. When the dates on the boxes showed the purchase was recent, long after Kiryas Yoel ceased shipping to him, he unconvincingly claimed they were off-the-books from Kiryas Yoel – a pure fiction. He then claimed that the chickens were kosher but without labels because he purchased them on the black or off markets, neither of which exists.

    Failing to come up with any reasonable explanation, he admitted that the chickens came from a non-kosher source but that was because the kosher meat producers refused to send him merchandise. He claimed that he had falsified kosher offerings only for the past few days. Everyone present sadly realized that a scandal of major proportions was unfolding in front of them. Initially, the certifying rabbi accepted that the non-kosher substitutions had taken place only for a few days. However, he later agreed with the general assumption that the deceptions had been ongoing for years.

    Thursday morning, Hatzlacha Supermarket opened and its owners were shocked to see that Shevach Meats was open for business, with merchandise on its racks, as though the previous night’s unmasking never happened. Hatzlacha quickly programmed their computers to refuse for sale any product from Shevach. The certifying rabbi posted a sign acknowledging that meats purchased in the previous two days must be considered non-kosher. Because of the ensuing turmoil, Shevach closed his facilities and left.

    That Thursday evening, shocked rabbis of Monsey gathered to discuss the matter. The certifying rabbi and the synagogue rabbi knowing Shevach’s owner on a personal level, still felt that the kosher deceptions had to be very limited. Other rabbis screamed that if Shevach’s presumption of trust was compromised, then that compromise was retroactive to the very first day he began doing business almost 11 years ago. In particular, Rabbi Menachem Meir Weissmandl, Monsey Nitra Rav, maintained that everyone who had purchased or used meats from Shevach must now kasher (kosher through proper methods) their pots, pans, tableware, and flatware. Rabbi Weissmandl issued a public letter to that effect on Friday morning.

    The consternation amongst Monsey residents was overwhelming. Feelings of shock and outrage enveloped the community. The thousands and thousands of Jews of Monsey and environs were thrown into an uproar. Monroe residents quickly realized that the Kiryas Yoel meats that they were purchasing from Shevach at reduced prices were treif (non-kosher). Large families that thought they were saving money now had to contemplate what had to be kashered and how. Shuls in Monsey quickly set up facilities for kashering pots, pans, and flatware. All rabbis in Monsey were consulted by their individual congregants and each particular item’s usage had to be reviewed in deciding if and how the item could be kashered.

    On Tuesday evening, September 5, a proclamation was issued. Twenty-eight rabbis were its signatories. They were (in Hebrew alphabetical order): Rabbi Mordechai Chaim Auerbach, Beis Midrash Shaarei Tefilah; Rabbi Yosef Yisroel Eizenberger, Skverer Dayan; Rabbi Eliezer Chaim Blum, Kasho Rebbe; Rabbi Don Blumberg, Beis Midrash Ohel Yaakov; Rabbi Shlomo Mordechai Breslauer, Khal Beis Tefilah; Rabbi Moshe Green, Yeshiva of Monsey; Rabbi Moshe Diamond, Khal Zichron Be’er; Rabbi Avrohom Yaakov Horowitz, Khal Dzikov Meletz; Rabbi Chaim Yehoshua Halberstam, Monsey Satmar Rav; Rabbi Yisroel Hager, Monsey Vishnitzer Rav; Rabbi Ben Zion Wosner, Beth Din Shevet Levi; Rabbi Menachem Meir Weissmandl, Monsey Nitra Rav; Rabbi Betzalel Tovia Wattenstein, Belzer Dayan; Rabbi Shraga Feivel Zimmerman, Khal Bnei Ashkenaz; Rabbi Yisroel Meir Teitelbaum, Khal Ateres Rosh; Rabbi Yosef Templer, Khal Derech Emes; Rabbi Avrohom Chaim Feifer, Kehilas Beis Avrohom; Rabbi Menachem Fisher, Vienner Dayan; Rabbi Shlomo Ben Zion Kokus, Khal Zichron Mordechai; Rabbi Zvi Hersh Rabinowitz, Monsey Bobover Rav; Rabbi Moshe Rosner, Monsey Pupa Rav; Rabbi Chaim Yehuda Leibish Rottenberg, Khal Netzach Yisroel Foreshay; Rabbi Dovid Shmuel Riviat, Beis Midrash South Monsey; Rabbi Chaim Shabbos, Khal Knesset Yisroel; Rabbi Yechiel Steinmetz, Monsey Rav; Rabbi Chaim Shraga Feivel Shneibalg, Khal Avreichim; amd Rabbi Meshulem Noson Spiegal, Khal Tefilah LeMoshe.

    The proclamation had since received additional signatures. In addition, the certifying rabbi has retracted his first letter, expanding the time of purchase of meat to be considered as non-kosher to “years.” The synagogue rabbi, finding no remorse on part of Shevach’s owner, banished him from his shul. All Shevach’s facilities at Hatzlacha have since been dissembled. Hatzlacha has recalled all Shevach’s meats sold there and are giving, at their own expense, a full refund. No meat sales will be made at Hatzlacha for the immediate future.

    Many kashering stations have been set up at shuls in Monsey. The largest kashering operation is at Hatzlacha. Rabbi Eliezer Yichezkel Landau of Beis Midrash Edeleny and Rabbi Yosef Ber Einhorn of the Vishnitzer Beis Midrash are overseeing public kashering at Hatzlacha. The Kiryas Yoel community has delegated several of its rabbis and kollel members to be at Monsey’s kashering stations to answer any questions and to assist in the sometimes complicated procedures. Monsey’s volunteer Chaverim organization is controlling traffic and parking at the stations.

    The Skverer community is providing all kashering stations with fire resistant gloves as well as fire resistant boots. The Glauber brothers, at Glauber’s Bakeries, are providing light refreshments. Glauber’s is also providing facilities for those needing to “burn” pots and pans. The many kashering stations have posted signs of their hours of operation. However, almost every kashering station is crowded, running late, and extending into late nights.

    As we go to press, the OU and the Hisachdus Horabbonim, both of which had no part in the Shevach affair, are individually calling emergency meetings to revise procedures so that such a recurrence should never happen again. Rumors abound as to civil law suits as well as civil and criminal investigations, some that may overlap into other areas of the kosher food industry. Regardless, all rumors, insinuations, etc., must be discounted, and ignored, in anticipation of official findings.

    Questionable Find

    On Monday morning, September 11, an abandoned suitcase was found outside Hatzlacha. The Rockland County bomb squad is treating the suitcase with the utmost suspicion. “They X-rayed the suitcase and determined it was not a danger,” Spring Valley police Sgt. Thomas Martin said. “It was some socks and a metal pill box.” It was unclear how much further detectives might investigate the case.

    The scare started when an owner of the Hatzlacha Grocery on Maple Avenue noticed the abandoned suitcase on the sidewalk and called police. With that kosher-meat scandal in the air, the owner did the right thing by calling police, Sgt. Martin said. “I know that people are upset about the non-kosher meats, but what connection there is to that, I don’t know,” he said. “We have it here,” Martin said of the suitcase. “If no one shows up for it, we will probably throw it away.”

    Fasting

    On a related note, Hatzolah issued a statement regarding those who expressed a desire to fast for their unknowingly having consumed treifos that they consult with their rav.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Subject: CHODOSH

    Had we been more machmir in chodosh, that according to many – if not most – Rishonim every kezayis is osur min hatorah, HKB”H would’ve saved us from this terrible tragedy.

    All of you are maskim that it’s a chumrah that it’s time has come.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Re CHODOSH

    Anyone who learn thru the subject, knows that’s a lot more then merely a CHUMRA…

    Yes there were poskim in the past who were meikil mainly because it was a matzav of PIKUACH NEFESH!

    Please after learning what the poskim have to say, get to know the on-the-ground facts. You’ll be surprised that many of the old heteirim are no longer valid.

    emes
    emes
    17 years ago

    anon 11:28

    couldn’t agree more,

    LOOK at the timing on the response of eruv anon” “7:11” goan’s time was “6.35”, anon wrote another comment on “6.46” which tells us why he’s so mixed up; how on earth possible could he have looked up, all those t’shuvas – understood- and responded,- typed, all in less than a half hour (assuming he saw goan’s respond rite-away ?)
    he’s just talking out of his… phoneyes

    I’m writing in regards to what R’ Segal wrote to the m’harsham he clearly writes (looked it up) ONLY about the STREETS of THE “EAST-SIDE” – NOT Manhattan “as a whole”, which was known to have much more than 600,000! (as pointed out by goan)

    All can be looked up on ;
    http://www.Hebrewbooks.org
    {browse to author letter S – seigel – sefer ‘eruv vehotzah’ pg. 19 parg. 2}

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    TO GAON;

    Your answer was very well true to the point, well detailed (looked some up) DO NOT bother replying to anon. 7:11, 6:46 (both, ‘obviously’ the same guy)!!

    Who is full of hate, venomous, mendacious… (mevazeh true talmudei chachamim known and mekubel through-out the torah world – starts out “a leaflet was dist.”… turns out HE himself is the … )

    didn’t even answer on most points!
    and what he DID answer; did not apply to the point made.

    Didn’t find ANYTHING else to blame BUT the eruv in BP on what actually happend in monsey!

    (and through someone who was actually against the eiruv!)

    ( anon.) GO GET A LIFE!!

    gaon
    gaon
    17 years ago

    A error in the above addressee: its to anon. 2:38 (not 3.33)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    what a goan that is mixing up the meshna brurah that says MAYBE we pasken like reb elozer when there is NO 600,000 and concludes that it is still a greosa d’chatos.
    The marsham writes manhattan does not have 600,000.
    Rav shulcon orech from the tanya in hilchos tchumin holds a bridge is a reshus harabim so there is PIRZOES of 16 amos with no DALSIS.
    The PRI MIGODIM, KAF HACHAYIM state that the RAMAH holds that DALSIS is M’DIORAYSO and we paskin OSEY RABIM U’MVATOL MCHITZA. we pasken like the RAMAH. all your tsuvahs you are quoting is when there is THREE mechizos SHLAIMOS. so don’t misquote. for your info menashe klein (finkel’s sisters uncle “what a mechutin”) wrote in a tsuvah vol 4 tsuvah 45 that rov achronim hold ny is a reshus harabim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    gaon is right that the ra-bonim are reflection of the DOR this happens when the BELZIES and the layman want to carry on SHABOS. Orthodox jews don’t carry and would not carry. GAON did you look up the MAHARSHAM that phoney R’ Segal wrote that manhattan does not have 600,000 people. he was also from the ra-bonim.
    goan don’t you know that DOSON V’AVIROM wore the same WHITE BEKESHE like cheskel Roth(1800) Dial-A-Heter. but when he was dayan in satmar he had some siyata dismaya or reflection of his congregants he wrote in his sefer vol 3 tsuva 16 that it is right to claim that boro park is a reshus harabim.

    gaon replies :
    gaon replies :
    17 years ago

    ANON 3:33 EIRUV;

    1) You did’t read properly,

    (the same way you did’t read the m’harsham properly as the following)

    1] I wrote there are “GATES” – ‘MECHITZOS’ surrounding the water (which incl. sea walls) I ADDED water for a ‘senif’ tziruf heter. 2] I don’t know which SHU”A H’RAV you are reffering to; about the water and bridges being a reshus h’rabim.

    I see u need clarification on this topic:

    There are 2 sheilos involved in the case of ‘mechitzos h’mayim’;

    1]if it creates a ‘reshus h’yachid’ gemurah, meaningly; that you are allowed to carry even without anything – ‘you don’t need a tzuras h’pesach, etc.

    2]If it creates at least a ‘karmulis’ (reshus hayachid mh’t -which a tzuras h’pesach will surely permit carrying)

    On that- Tosfas holds it is still a reshus h’rabim. BUT all achronim agree that we DON”T pasken like this tosfas (see Mishnah B’rurah shar tzion ch. 363;93, Chei Adam, yavet’z ch 7 , Nodeh B’yehudah in sh”ut Tshuvah M’ahava, and so writes the Divrei Malkiel of Lomza : “the fact that water is a mechitzah, is acclamed so, by all poskim achronim, and so is the MINHAG in alot of cities…. etc.” And so rules the above m’harsham there, and in his sefer DAAS TORAH ch 363, and so was the CHADUSHEI H’RIM ‘noheig l’maseh’ in the city WARSAW (see shu”t Hari”m ch 4, Moiras Nosson of warsaw)

    And so ruled RAV CHAIM OZER of Vilna on Paris; see Acheiezer vol 4.
    and the list goes on n’ on, so next time learn a little more than JUST Tosfas before u come to …

    3] The same goes about the ‘bridges’ u did not comprehend the case of the shu”a h’rav altogether (see sh”ut Beis Shlomo) *plus* you mixed up with the case of HETER TILTUL (case #1 ) – with reshus hayachid min hatorah meaningly; that if u erect a tzuras h’pesach there is no ‘sheilah’ at all, ALL sheilos in the poskim about BRIDGES were only in a case – with no ‘tzuras h’pesach’ at all, where they used m’chitzos h’mayim l’hatir for CARRIYING (which is a sheileh d’rabonon if it’s considerd a ‘pirtzah’ – see sh”ut Ch’sam Sofer ch. 89 nodeh B’yehudah; 42, sh’ut Nefesh Chei, Divrei Malkiel …)

    So on the case – such as ours – where besides the water there is a tzuras h’pesach, n’ who is even asking where we have GATES **mechhitzos byedai adom** too….

    2) about the 600,000 u say R’ Segal claimed …

    Again u didn’t read properly at all ! ALL He wrote was that the STREETS of the EAST-SIDE of Manhattan does not have 600,000 – NOT that “manhattan”… see his sefer ‘eruv v’hatzah’,
    THIS that Manhattan itself -‘as a city’ had more than 600,000 – that was a known fact EVERYBODY knew – “as of the greatest populated city in the world!!” and what do u take the marsham n the rest RAB. for such ‘BOTLANIM’!!??

    What we DO see clearly from their position is that 600,000 within the city itself Is NOT considerd r’shus h’rabim, u need 600,000 on the STREET too!

    By the way – see what RAV SEGAL wrote about it in his sefer SHU”T Oznei yehoshua ch. 18, (before the eruv) he clearly writes that Manh. has more than 600,000, the Question was mainly about ‘BROADWAY’ which had through out 600,000 passerby (see sh’ut Tirosh V’yitzhor of warsaw)

    3) About the M’HARSHAM backing out, Again u did not get the facts straight, his back out is cause some so-called rabbonim claimed that the FACTS are not the way RAV Seagel claimes it is, but NOT on the P’SAK, meaningly; that if so the facts ARE like he claims, of course he’s backing it, on that he couldn’t decide .

    by the way – the facts were as he acclaimed – proof: as long as he was alive no-one said anything AT ALL – as the dates of the tshuvas claim!! vd”l

    4) Talking about “PHONEY’S” THE JOKE IS ON YOU!! :

    It so happens to be, that M. FINKEL didn’t want an “eid” at his childs chupah – someone who uses the EIRUV !!!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    when did m finkel wife and kids leave this guy??

    GAON
    GAON
    17 years ago

    anon 12:54 ‘OUR RABBIS’

    Don’t complain, they R only a “REFLECTION” of our ‘DOR’ (society)!!

    In a society that EVERTHING is the – ‘BEN FRANKLIN’ what do u expect of their leaders ?!

    So say our holy s’forem “DOR DOR- V’DORSHOV”….. The leaders u get – is for what YOU asked for !!

    WAKE UP – START by changing with-in yourself’s !!!

    Not – blame the leaders! which are placed by your own doings.

    Start by praying b’kavanah;
    V’HOISHIVAH SHOFTEINU K’VERISHOINA.

    AMEN.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    to so called goan 3:33
    you don’t know that water is not a mechitzha (tosfos eruvin 22) the whole world is surrounded with water. what do you do with the bridges that are a reshus harabim as the RAV S”O paskens. the MAHARSHAM clearly wrote a letter (printed in all newspapers now & then) (printed id Kerem Byavne, yarchon from Y. U., yetzias hashabos) that he backing off the eruv of manhatan. By the way why aren’t you quoting the mahrsham in the same tsuvah that Segal told him that manhattan does NOT have 600,000 people. Segal was a phoney like Finkel, Katz, Menashe Klein AND BELZIES

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    i think we should declare a fast again for our RABBONIM

    DO OU KNOW WHY WE SAY THE BROCHA AL HATZADIKIM VAL HACHASIDIM VAL ZIKNEI AMCHA

    REALLY THEY SHOULD BE BE MISPALLEL FOR US BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS GENERATION WE NEED TO SAY TO HASHEM

    THESE RABBIS YOU GAVE US THAT GAVE AHECHSHER TO A MAN THAT SOLD TRIEF THESE RABBIS THAT SAY THERE HOLY EVEN AFTER STEALING MILLIONS ( ORBACH )

    PLEASE REBONEI SHEL OLAM WE DAVEN TO YOU FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FIT FOR THEIR JOBS

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Is his rich sister in BP gonna help him (MF)?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Anon 9:12
    Who said she knew. I understand she is a victim just like everyone else.
    He brought the same food home he sold everybody else.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Anon 11:42

    Ugh! Gross!

    She clapped him on, knew all along. Now she walks?

    What she thinks we Monsey people will pay for her?

    Ugh! She should go to Cherem too.

    gaon
    gaon
    17 years ago

    TO tsuva 2:11

    Another am haarotz in town; that does not know that 3 MECHITZOS creates a “reshus h’yachid” (which brooklyn has + water ; LOOK ON YOUR MAP, wherever there is water u have gates)

    So S… STOP DREIN A KUPP about ‘reshus h’rabim’!!!

    2) BY THE WAY – about R’ Y. Segal u mentioned. YES he did make a eruv in MANHATAN,

    BUT for your knowledge do u know that it DID have the haskamah of the gadolai hador incl. the -M’HARSHAM, (see sh”ut m’harsham vol 8) HAREI B’SAMIM (see vol 5) of Stanislov zt”l, h’rav mpramshlaua… (even though every body knew about Manhatan as a whole, had one of the largest populations – close to 2,000,000)

    3) And about the nevailus u acclaim he was maichel is also JUST as true as brooklyn is a ‘reshus h’rabim’ – get your facts of history straight, before u bring n’ drag into this rabonnim that are not alive!!!

    YES there was some kind of friction between the 2 – rav yakov yosef and rav Segal but that started ’cause when rav y.y. arrived he (R’ Segal)was already acclamed RAV by over 25 POLISH’e’ KEHILLOS, and those kehillos did not want to accept the NEW LITVISHE RAV…. so they had their own shochtim etc…

    BUT TO NO EXTEND was there ever macholus neveilus involved through the rav S., yes there were shochtim selling neveilus but that had little or ANYTHING to do with RAV Seagel!!!

    P.S FOR MECHILLAH; his kever is in the same cemetery as rav yakov yosef’s zt”l (in Queens).

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    Nebech moshe finkel,his Wife and kids left him…

    Why he did it ??? Why ???

    What about Cherem? moshe finkel must be punished ! I don’t understand possition of Rabbanim!
    They are too quiet!Or is something wrong with me…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    To 2:14; your yingaleh sounds every bit the genious you are!

    Rabbi Shain was brilliant on Zev Brenner last night. He spared no details and had no qualms whatsoever about naming those involved and those who should have been involved (Moetzes included) in this scandal.

    bk5454
    bk5454
    17 years ago

    Anonymous said…
    every kzayis nevelu becomes like you have eaten a kzayis korben pesach in yerushulayim. and the rabbi finished saying that a tchuvas horabim is like a “tchuva mehave” (Yismach Moshe Zts”l)”. look the ful text in “Droshes Chasam Sofer daf yid tes”

    so i wonder if this is the case it means that MF was maachil korben pesach to us is he going to get so much gan eden

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    my yingele came home from chaydir and says that lipa sing goyase nigunim because he ate the nivelas of shevach and his neshoma is tomay

    tsuva
    tsuva
    17 years ago

    A leaflet was distributed in boro park explaining that the consumers are in fault because when great rabbis from this generation and ALL the rabonim from the previos generation told us you can not make an eruv and it is CHILLUL SHABOS but belzies are REPACKING it as selling it shuc string is differrent they are alot worse.
    brooklyn is a reshus harabim and you need DALSIS (gates with NO oppenings more than ten amos aprox. 18 feet). but belzies are repacking with different label. HISTORY repeates itself the first eruv maker in new york R. yehoshua segel was machel nivailos that Reb yakov yosef assered.
    belzies were machil nivelos from CHAIMOVITZ we all still remember.
    BELZIES GREAT.

    O.Gevald
    O.Gevald
    17 years ago

    Just wondering.
    Is this fellow also fasting today???

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    17 years ago

    I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PIG SR”Y IS STILL GOING AROUND MONSEY FREE???????

    O.Gevald
    O.Gevald
    17 years ago

    I join my fellow bretheren in Taanis today.
    May HKB”H accept this Taanis as a Kapparoh for any unintentional Maacholos Assuros we may have eaten.