New York – ‘Kupat Ha’ir’ Rabbis As A Marketing Tool, Lends Credence, Truth To The Cynicism That Torah Scholars Are For Sale

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    New York – It is not my usual practice to criticize organizations (and certainly not individuals) by name.

    However, organizations, by their very nature, must be open to public criticism, and when their practices are cause for serious concern it behooves us to raise and address these concerns so that we can make informed decisions.

    I have long been rubbed the wrong way by the way Kupat Ha’ir, a tzedaka organization in Israel, promotes itself.

    For one thing, all those glossy newspaper inserts and large ads it continuously produces aren’t cheap.

    I wonder who’s paying for that.

    If it’s money from regular donations (as opposed to donations specifically earmarked for promoting the organization) then many donors would think twice if they knew that a sizable percentage of their donation wasn’t going to feed orphans, but merely to rope in the next round of donors –– whose money, in turn, would be doing more of the same.

    Even more troubling is the marketing devices this organization employs to sway people to send in money.

    It goes beyond the usual vapid yet melodramatic endorsements that normally accompany these types of advertisements.

    Like sports drinks showing celebrity athletes drinking the product, Kupat Ha’ir features celebrity rabbis donating money to them.

    What’s next, pizza stores demonstrating the ultimate “standards” in kashrus by showing celebrity rabbis taking a bite? Today, anyone who has any ideas about producing a product for sale in the Jewish community knows that there is nothing more important than garnering a murderer’s row of rabbinic endorsements, even if all he’s selling is a pot holder.

    When rabbis are reduced to mere marketing devices, then something is wrong with the rabbinic establishment and our relationship to it.

    Editors Note: Warning: if you are highly sensitive and parrot the notion that certain rabbis are beyond reproach or even mere question simply because some people say so, then please do NOT read any further. You shouldn’t be on the Internet, anyway.

    Such shenanigans lend credence truth to the cynicism about Torah and its scholars being for sale, and only perpetuate a society of followers that live in blissful, willful ignorance.

    Considering the madness that surrounds us, however, these tactics alone are worthy of only mild scorn and irritation.

    Unfortunately, it gets much worse.

    If you’ve ever troubled yourself to read their advertising, you know that their strongest push to donate is the miracle card.

    You know, “JM” from Bnei Brak donated $40 and her tumor disappeared, that sort of thing.

    I lose all respect for them right there.

    This is nothing but an attempt to prey on people’s fear, ignorance, and hope, to tap into the most primitive aspects of the human psyche.

    Of course we are supposed to believe that all these predictable, wondrous stories are 100 percent true.

    We are also supposed to be motivated to give tzedaka nowadays because we need money, a shidduch, or a cure (which is acceptable but certainly not laudatory or ideal).

    But here’s the thing: the clear implication is that we are supposed to give tzedaka to THEM, because they have the miracle backing.

    If you give your tzedaka elsewhere then all bets are off.

    It’s little different than those advertisements for wonder drugs, or sports drinks.

    Then again, those advertisements come with disclaimers like “results may vary.” No such disclaimer here.

    They’re careful not to outright promise that you’ll get what you wish for, but they take full credit for so-called miracles that supposedly happen to donors.

    (Like saint-seeking Christians, they are also quite liberal in their definition of “miracles” as referring to most any happy occurrence.) In so doing they have created the perfect situation for themselves (not dissimilar to what shadchanim do, by the way).

    If things work out well, it’s because of us.

    If they don’t work out well, it must be your fault.

    If you donate a few bucks and your three spinster daughters get engaged within four days, it’s because you donated a few bucks.

    If you donate a few bucks and life goes on as before, well, tough luck.

    Maybe you should have donated more, or davened harder, or performed some other sorcery in conjunction to manipulate the spiritual forces in your favor.

    Give us the credit for “success.” but keep the blame for “failure” all to yourself.

    Best of all, this marketing gimmick is impossible to disprove.

    After all, can you know for certain that supposed miracles are fabricated, or, if true, are really unrelated to the giving of a donation? Of course not.

    So you might as well give them money just to cover your bases, because it MIGHT be true.

    Even if you don’t see immediate results, you MIGHT have helped bring your salvation closer, or, at the very least, prevented things from getting worse.

    This can’t be disproved.

    And when enough people give and good things happen to some of them, the marketing train only picks up more steam.

    You can’t prove it’s not true, and it just MIGHT have something to it, so why not give? You might be the next one to hit the jackpot.

    Plus, look at those pictures of nice old rabbis.

    In all fairness, Kupat Ha’ir is far from the most serious offender when it comes to dubious promises of salvation, but they are certainly the most prominent.

    Were it for this alone I would not have singled them out for this article.

    However, they recently put out a publication that is so full of downright frightening social implications, so full of messages that contradict Torah values and common sense itself that I must question the very credibility of this organization and the leaders who are associated with it, however prominent and popular they may be.

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    137 COMMENTS

    1. Chananya Weissman is the founder or endthemadness.org. He is not an accepted authority by any rabbonim, and has criticized the establishment many times. He believes he can do better, but his solutions have yielded no results. For Vos Iz Neias to give him a mouthpiece is a shanda.

    2. All I can say is you are corageous to write such an article. You have no basis for your accusations. To out and out condemn the work of the gidolei hador is complete and utter chutzpa. WHO ARE YOU????? AND WHO CARES WHAT YOU SAY OR THINK???? Bottom line is for every dollar that this orginization doesn’t recieve because of this article you will be responsible!!A heavy burden to carry I would say.

    3. I read the post and agree with many of the concerns; I bet they were discussed in many shuls during talking.

      I might disagree with the writer assuming a high cost to the glossy prints and mags. I always assumed that somebody might be a ben Torah that offered to do photoshop at no cost or low cost. (The actual cost of all that photoshop is only time and about three cents worth of electricity.) The printing cost might be less tha you think, think actual cost, not what a printer might want to charge in his dreams.

      We all think some of the stories are over the top and we all think that it is a dangerous thing to think “let me just give th money and a miracle will happen.

    4. All I can say is you are corageous to write such an article. You have no basis for your accusations. To out and out condemn the work of the gidolei hador is complete and utter chutzpa. WHO ARE YOU????? AND WHO CARES WHAT YOU SAY OR THINK???? Bottom line is for every dollar that this orginization doesn’t recieve because of this article you will be responsible!!A heavy burden to carry I would say.

      No, you’re wrong. The gedolim of our generation are being raped day in and day out by these ppl and those who tried to shut Lipa down. These idiots try to use the influence of the rabbonim without their permission or knowledge in order to acheive their goals. If that’s the type of ppl you want to associate yourself with, please go ahead. I will choose to associate myself with honest ppl. These ppl are dishonest, liars, fakers, frauds and everything in between, as was evident from the Lipa fiasco.

    5. Very well written, this has been an issue that I discuss when I’m with friends and family and this has been bothering me for years. What I find even more interesting is the fact that most of the rabbonim that are being used for this tzedaka propoganda are from Eretz Yisroe, sounds like another Kol Koreh…..

    6. It’s like a Tzedaka Ponzi game! Or Tzedaka Amway!

      One significant incentive (enticement) that the author [of article] failed to enumerate is; graphically showing the “Grab-Bag” of goodies that is awaiting the [big] donor!

    7. Lipa is an issue that should be addressed. His muusic is in part responsible for the decline in warmth to yiddishkeit as well as for the degradation of YIDDISHE music.Not to mention, the link betweeen his music and juvenile delinquency. IT IS A FACT and cannot be argued. Nevertheless, you are on target, and organizations should be under scrutiny since they are using the public’s money and trust.

      IT’S ABOUT TIME

    8. I don’t quite understand all the fuss. The whole point is money for tzedakah. The more you spend on advertisements, the more you get for tzedakah sometimes. Nothing wrong with that. I really don’t see the problem.

    9. You are WRONG! These great Rabbanim have been m’vater on there kavod because of the great need for Tzedaka. This is not something that they do easily, but like all Gedolai Yisroel, they are mekabel the “busha” and allow themselves to be photographed putting money in the pusha. They feel, and rightly so, that this way more tzidaka money will come in. Do you really think that The Rabbanim are involvedin the layout and articles attached? There concern is TZEDAKA only.

      May you never be at the recieving end where you have to cry and beg for handouts. You realy should retract this scathing letter.

    10. SEL- How do you know what they were mvatter? Have you ever asked any of these rabbonim? Have you ever asked any rabbonim anything at all? Don’t seem like it because if you did you would know that they get very disturbed when they find out that their names have been associated with dishonest conduct.

    11. ANYONE: Do you think someone is making big bucks on a kupat haeer payroll too be this ambitious with this super-high-end marketing ?

      (now that the cover is blown too bad on kupat haeer the fat days are over.. )

      -L davka

    12. The qquestions raised should be addressed.

      However, I do wonder if 1) the tactics used are from the organization itself or some outside advertising agency/fundraising consultant (same re other charities) and 2) if the Rabbis know about the tactics.

    13. I think there must be a distinction between communal organizations, where (hopefully) no inividual benefits directly from the money to Yeshivos and some family run organizations where positions and power are given to a select few, usually family members. From what I’ve read, Kupat Ha’ir is a true public charity and although the marketng methods used may be questioned, the overall intergrity of the organization seems and is hopefully pure.

    14. to the ignorant dope that said lipa music leads to juvenile delinquency that is the reverse they will listen to jewish music with a good message instead of non jewish music with a very bad mesage you are pure fantic I feel bad for your kids.

    15. The person who wrote this article has shown that he has absolutly no knowledge in the fundraising/organization world, and doesn’t know a thing about Kupat Hair. I am not a spokesman for Kupat Hair, neither do I work for them, and I do not represent them in any way.

      1) I am active in a well known organization, one that is very important and crucial for the jewish people, but when it comes to money (that is desperatelly needed as in every other organization) people don’t know what it involves (or don’t wanna know), and therefore the only way to keep an organization running without going into heavy debt is only with intensive fundraising. Unfortunately what used to be the once upon a time fundraising, the modest way has stopped talking to people, and in these modern times the fundraising had to be upgraded to a certain level that was never used before, and each organization has to be looking for the most exotic methods to get the money.

      (to be continued)

    16. Who cares what he says? I DO.

      Unlike all you cowards that are afraid to sign their names to their opinions, he has the guts to say what needs to be said!

      Too many scams go by without comment, and eventually all of them will result in a major chilul Hashem.

      Oorah, Chai rotel, et al all take advantage of the gullible by pushing a new Judaism that substitutes donations to the right place for tefillah and chesed. And the “right place” is itself dubious.

      When this happened to Christianity, Martin Luther came along to protest. Judaism needs- badly- his counterpart to prevent our religion from becoming one where you “pay” a rabbi to cure cancer!

    17. 2) I have spoken to many Askanim in Israel which have spoken great things about Kupat Hair, they told me they heard from the mouths of the Rabbanim that they themselves overlook Kupat Hair’s projects, so before you talk know the facts…I also never believed all the stories I have seen in all those pamphlets (and many other organizations), But I don’t feel it has to be spoken out, if you don’t think those stories are true keep it to yourself. Have you ever spoken out against all those Novels sold at the book stores, if thats how they feed

    18. We must remember that tzadaka shoeld first be given to the ppl. in our own city, state ect.

      Most ppl have x amount of money set aside for tzadaka and if all goes to Israeli functions (and most of that goes on heavy adverisement,and a big percent to the fundraiser himself)then what will stay for Americans poor, yeshivos, hatzola, and other very important organizations we all need and rely on.

      Let everyone give what is close to their heart and community and not to the best advertised organization, and may Hashem send yeshuos to all who give and daven with all their heart!

    19. I know that they are paying for the Hamodia $4500 every time they do a insert. The question is on the Hamodia as well how can they charge so much $ from “Hekdesh” money??????????????

    20. Reb Chananya says what needs to be said. Rabbonim were brought off to make badns and strupid machaos like the lipa thing and look what happened – people respect them less.

      Bravo to Rabbi weissman for stepping up and pointing out the obvious.

    21. cont.

      Yesomim and Almanos then we should be ashamed of ourselves that these are the only ways they are fed.

      3) Who gave you the right to accuse them of wasting their money for printing etc., when you don’t know it for a fact. Even though I think that there’s absolutly no problem if that will raise more money, how do you know that they don’t have a special contributor for this purpose (as the organization I am involved in has)?!

      I think the answer is that you are looking for excuses so you don’t have to give Tzedaka. Don’t fool yourself in Olam Habah that excuse will get you no place. I’m sure you’re one of the people who have a load of critic for every org. out there. Hatzalah we don’t need, how much more people died fifty years ago already and so on…

    22. In all due respect to the Gedolim who are used to help the various Tzedkahs.We do not see the generation of the Satmar Rav or Rav Moshe doing such a thing.

      This is just an observation.I think the writer wants to bring out that point.we must be very careful how Tzedkahs are being presented in the public eye.

    23. I fully agree with the Writer and have expressed so many times. But surprise! my typical yeshivashe 15 year old who studied nothing an entire year said if he gets an 80 or above on his Global Regents he will give $25 to Kupat HaIr. he got exactly an 80! (I guess he wasn’t sharp enough to increase his pledge for higher marks.) I tell you – that’s a miracle!

    24. Where does the Lipa ban come in here? What does the support of some highly respected Rabbanim for this organization do to make them less, do you know that Rabbanim of previous generations went begging for money for years to support the needy, read some history…

    25. i have never written a comment on this web site but after seeing this article i must. i have been to rav shteinman house numerous times in bnei brak and im pretty sure the only tzedakah box he has around him is for kupat hair. so unless you think your qualified to question one of gedolim hador, which i can tell you with complete confidence you wouldnt be qualified to question someone that was 1/1,000,000 of rav shtienman without exaggerating.

    26. sometimes you might have valid points, however one must think is it worth risking “olam habah”? have you ever approached one of those gedolim to get an answer or perhaps an explanation? or do you really care for the poor but feel that your criticism is so critical that you find no other way to prove your points even if risking that people might stop their support for this organization? I believe that “is din veis dayan” ! in order to gain some recognition you’re ready to risk your “chelek leolam haba”??

    27. I dont get this post. Everyone knows that this is a very, very chosheve tzedaka, and all the Gedoilim from all walks of orthordoxy support it. If R’ Chaim Kaniviersky and others takes his time out to meet the (unpaid) gabboim of this organization, there must be something in it (and indeed all the tzedakas he meets). Do you ever go to Israel and see the utter aniyus and oremkeit? Both by Bnei Torah and working people and also non-religous the matzav is terrible. Almost 45% of the population cant make it to the end of month. Many business’s do not pay on time because the next guy cant pay them!!

      The Gedoilim have given special berachos then to people that support such tzedakas (Have you never heard of giving to R” Meir Baal Haness in a time of Tzara???) That really help the Klal?

      I think the writer should go to Israel and see the matzav there in persona nd then pen some words to help our brothers on the front lines.

      The poor of Israel are the Army of Hashem! Suffering daily, the Bnei Torah are the infantrymen – and the Generals are the Gedoilim whom are working and raising money for the Army of Hashem.

      Now we should be supporting the efforts of such a noble cause instead of knocking it. After all, all the Gedoilim are doing is trying to help Acheinu Bnei Israel.

    28. To Yossi Gordon:

      Oorah is not a questionable organization. For starters they run an amazing girls and boys camp.

      The counselors keep in contact with the campers year round. They do not get paid for this.

      To keep such an outstanding camp in business costs huge bucks.

      Please don’t knock something you know nothing about. Oorah does not deserve to lose money because of you.

    29. I am definately put off by the fancy booklet and when it comes to making a decision where I will give I dont give to them b/c I assume if they can pqay for that they are well funded.

    30. If I would have to actually explain to anybody how ridiculess these acusations are-they don’t deserve to know! The chutspa of the article-hashem will punish him for even attempting to slander the most holy of our generation- so why should I even get worked up? “Celebrity”!?…ehh…one sick puppy!

    31. from all the discosting articles that i have read this goes on the top of the list.

      how can you compere miracles from giving tzedakah

      to Christians promising miracles;how can you compere rabbis endorsing a tzedakah to endorsing pizza.

      kupas hair doesn’t promise miracles nor do they say that ONLY if you give them miracles happen, they are simply saying that people who gave them money have seen miracles and if you don’t believe that you are a old fashioned APIKOIRES open a chumash and a Talmud and you will see that tzedakah DO make miracles of course it doesn’t ALLWAYS happen but it does happen.

      now rabbis are maybe being used for the wrong thinks ,but this is the worst example you could have picked.

      The worst part of it is , because you want to be able to write something cute on vos is neias there’s gonna be less bread and milk on the table of poor families in Eretz Yisroel.

    32. No one should be coerced into donating to anyone for any reason. Everyone should give tzedaka according to his means, and according to his wishes.

      Everyone knows that it is a segula to donate to Reb Meir Baal Hanes without their placing huge colorful brochures in every home.

      If everyone would just take care of one poor relative or family member, or one person that they know well in the community, without going through the “agent” or middlemen, all the money goes directly to feed the hungry, and not to line the pockets of the administrators, so that they can fly all over the world, and stay in hotels while collecting huge sums of money from innocent naive (and very wealthy) people.

      We need to hope and pray that our tzedaka dollars go where they are really 100% used by the right people.

      I once heard that honestly earned money goes to honestly deserved charity, and vice versa.

      I read the brochure, laughed it off, and threw it in the garbage.

      I donate huge sums of money yearly to whomever and wherever I think the money will do the most good. When I know my money goes to a family of 12 that live in 2 and a half rooms, I dont need an organization in the middle. We can all find proper places to donate our money. We dont need stories of miracles.

      I see miracles every day in my life, and I have been priveleged to see huge miracles, all without ever donating to Kupat Hair.

      So I thank C Weissman for telling it like it is, and as the old saying goes, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool them all the time.

      Nor do you need to threaten or bribe someone in order to get them to give to your causes.

      There are so many charlatans out there…….so caution is in order.

      Thank you Vos IZ Neias for printing the REAL news, not the stuff fed to us by the many Jewish publications.

    33. Lipa is an issue that should be addressed. His muusic is in part responsible for the decline in warmth to yiddishkeit >>>>>>>>>>>>

      ____________

      Here we go again with balming others but yourself.

      YOU as a consumer decide what YOU bring into your home and NOT lipa.

      Stop blmaing internet, radio, tv, movies and all the other garbage out there. IT IS UP TO YOU THE WAY YOU WANT TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN.

      YOU sound like the liberals who like to blame society problems on everything and everybody else but themselves.

      There are many issues that are brought up here and many times all arguments can be somewhwat right but after 120 years you can’t go tell go–d that all your aveiros was Lipas fault or it was kupat haiir fault and whoever else you have on your short list.

      The problems we face today is YOUR fault so stop looking at everyon else like it is only them.

      And to prove this point of complaining and looking at everyone else i will give you a few examples.

      Many people complain about the high cost of bungalows but when you ask them why they are going up to the mountains these complainers tell you “they have to…..”

      People complain about tuition but somehow they have 8,000 to throw away in 8 weeks for a one bedroom aprtment with mosquitos and a door that keeps on braking. Would you spend 52,000 a year for a one bedroom apartment in Boro park? So why do we get so stupid in the summer? ALL of a sudden we all get stupid with money when the weather gets hot.

      People complain about gasoline being to high. Have you changed your dricing habbits? Most people in the frum community have not changed one thing and still drive the car 4 blocks to go to shul and circle around the block 50 times until they find a spot.

      And for the people always complaining baout money, why is it that you keep on eating out at restaurants? We can go on and on about all the stupid things WE CAN CONTROL but like to blame others for.

      get the point?

      It’s very easy to balme LIPA, Rabanim, Kupat haiir……Buy yourself a mirror and look into it and say that’s the person that needs to change.

      And one more thing, the definition of insanity is doing the same stupid thing over and over again and expecting different results.

      STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.

      (Mechanach)

    34. It’s not like it’s a majorly glossy booklet, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It seems like a pretty cheapy insert, if you ask me.

      If those pics of Gedolim were indeed photoshopped and doctored up, then it’s outright lying, and some REAL askonim should bring it to these Gedolim’s attention for a change. Remember, R’ Aharon ZT”L wouldn’t allow trees to be drawn in front of BMG in a fundraising booklet for the Yeshivah since they really didn’t have any. Emes should mean something even for a good cause, ya know?

      Some people should be barred from blogging in general (“A Yid” comes to mind) until they pass some high school spelling tests. (On Jewish blogs, we’ll accept a 5th grade level)

    35. How stupid to make comments like “Hashem will punish him” for writing this article. Since when are you privy to who Hashem punishes and it’s disgusting that you wish that on someone.

      As to the subject matter – it is true that Kupat Ha’ir is a valid and good Tzedaka (even though they were created on the tailcoats of Vaad HaRabbanim’s success – copycats!). Yet, the writer is correct in that it demeans the Gedolim, and cheapens the Mitzva of Tzedaka. But if that is what our generation has come to, that modern sales tactics are needed to raise funds – then nebech so be it.

      In Eretz Yisroel they say that when there is chalila a tragedy, that a father r”l passes away, the pamphlets and fliers will show a picture of the father and of the children at the levaya. If however it is the mother that r”l passes away – you can’t show a picture of a woman – so they put the picture of a Godol instead. How cheap!

      Maybe the Tzedaka organizations will take heed, notice the disgust of the Olam, and water down the content and pictures. Just talk about the Mitzva.

    36. Anonymous Says:

      i have never written a comment on this web site but after seeing this article i must. i have been to rav shteinman house numerous times in bnei brak and im pretty sure the only tzedakah box he has around him is for kupat hair. so unless you think your qualified to question one of gedolim hador, which i can tell you with complete confidence you wouldnt be qualified to question someone that was 1/1,000,000 of rav shtienman without exaggerating.

      06-25-2008 – 10:09 PM

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      Dont hock a kup. Kupat hair pushka is NOT the only he has by him. Next time u go there ask him what other pushkas he has in his home. Just for the record . Most of the pictures they show the public are all doctored and photo shopped which goes into the avaira of genavas dass

    37. I think that the people writing all the moifsim are not really trying to con us with those, but rather they really believe it.

      However, you can of course argue, if they’re this stupid to believe all that, then it’s not really a good idea to trust them with your money…

    38. Instead of people slamming these organizations…why doesn’t someone present a list of questions to one of the gedolim….for example ask them about the expenses for advertising, ask them about salaries for people that run the organization…before we make accusations, we need some of the issues to be clarified. and made public to the oilam.

      personally i give tzedaka there and i do believe in miracles…since i believe in the power and miracle of tzedaka. tzedaka does guarantee miracles…if not immediately…then in the long run.

      being a child of parents who unfortunately survive from accepting tzedaka- i guarantee you that Hashem will certainly reward people that give generously.

    39. I will agree with the graphic pictures… there was one letter distributed before Rosh Hashana.. .(not kupat Hair) with the letters “mi ba’aish, umi ba,mayim, mi ba-chaya… with pictures of these words…” i felt that this was too much..it was almost as if they were saying if someone doesn’t give to them then chas veshalom these things can happen lo aleinu….

      these issues need to be brought up to the rabbanim and addressed and corrected to suit the public.

    40. the fact is that who ever beleives in kupat hair org. will still donate & who ever doesn’t beleive in it i am sure never gave regardless.& no one should take it to heart because of the writer.

    41. chanya weismann is a proven idiot. he justs needs a shidduch then all his gripes will dissapear. he is knownn to hate rabbonim. his solutions to problems are pathetic. this is the fault of the marketers not the rabbis thry have nothing to do with this.

    42. This is definitely in line with all the bogus promises of salvation from any one of the more recently founded orgs and I would humbly suggest that these Rabbonim who are not in the Kabbalah business would blanche if they understood the inuendo within the English verbage. (Give us and you will have Parnassah, a baby, a Shidduch, anything you want, just give us the money)

    43. I have only read through a few comments and didn’t even want to waste more time on this.HOW A HUMAN BEING MADE OF MERE FLESH AND BLOOD CAN EVEN HINT AT THE THINGS THIS “APIKORES” IS HINTING AT IS BEYOND ME.QUOTE FROM LETTER-“Plus, look at those pictures of nice old rabbis”.HOW CAN SOMEONE DARE CALL OUR GREATEST GEDOLIM”NICE OLD RABBIS”???HOW DARE SOMEONE SLIGHT OUR GREATEST GEDOLIM THE ONES WHO KEEP OUR WORLD UP. SORRY THERE; NO IT’S NOT THE FED’S OR WALL STREET THAT KEEP OUR WORLD RUNNING ONLY OUR GEDOLIM AND THE TORAH THEY STUDY.I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT EVEN JUST A “SIMPLE” JEW STUDYING TORAH IS KEEPING THE WORLD GOING AS STATED IN CHAZAL.”VEOHAVTOH ES HASHEM”…THE GEMORAH SAYS “ES L’RABOS TALMIDEI CHACHOMIM”. WHEN YOU TALK AGAINST OUR GEDOLIM IS IT TANTAMOUNT TO TALKING AGAINST HASHEM.I KNOW I WILL PROBABLY GET SOME “SMART” PEOPLE SLAMMING MY BLOG BUT I DO NOT CARE.IT PAINS ME TO SEE HOW LOW PEOPLE CAN GO AND I’M TALKING FROM MY HEART. AND YES PEOPLE THAT CAN UTTER SUCH WORDS WILL BE PUNISHED. TO THE ONE WHO QUESTIONED THAT IN AN EARLIER BLOG-DID YOU FORGET WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD? THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED SCHAR V’ONESH.YOU MAY LOOK LIKE YOU’RE GETTING AWAY WITH IT ON THIS WORLD BUT I PROMISE(YES I PROMISE)YOU WILL BE PUNISHED IN THE NEXT WORLD.OUR GEDOLIM ARE NOT DOGS THAT ARE LED BY A LEASH. THE ATTITUDE AND TONE THAT SOME USE REGARDING OUR GEDOLIM IS IN THE WORDS OF THE NOVOMINSKER REBBE SHLITA” A MODERN APIKORSUS”. IN PAST GENERATIONS ONE WHO WOULD DARE TO UTTER SUCH THINGS WOULD BE A TOTAL OUTCAST.NOT SO IN OUR GENERATION WHERE THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL GETS A NICE “MI S’BERACH” IN SHUL…I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS TIME THAT AFTER THE WORD GADOL IS NOT “LIPA”. YES WE ARE OBVIOUSLY IN MOSHIACH’S TIMES FROM THE CHUTPAH EXHIBITED BY SOME.MAY HE COME VERY SOON.

    44. Kupat Ha’Ir is a very responsible organization, as is Vaad Harabbonim. They need to advertise to get the tzedaka money! Actually, I translate material for Vaad Harabbonim. Yes, I get paid, but then again, if I didn’t we’d be needing a monthly stipend from them! I can assure you that the askanim there are working around the clock — mamash — checking out the stories, seeing what they can do to help, and most important of all, trying to put the needy people on their feet so that they can manage on their own, without tzedaka.

    45. did you never hear of the saying that if you believe in a stone than you going to see miracles from the stone …..so it realy depents how much amunah you have in this ….giving tzedaka was and will be a way of seeing our yesuha no matter if it is for kupat hair or reb mair bal haness…but it does depend how much you believe in it .ps. im wondering where the money of bonei olam goes ……they also have tons of advertisments and i know for a fact that they dont give you so fast ….

    46. i agree with this article as it was always

      out of normal range there advertising methods

      and again could we here from someone that has or knows someone that got any support from them

      lets see they should publish the amounts given away for something that could be verified

      is there any known name of a grate business men or stam of a known asken

      ever published so we could check up with them if that organization exists ?

      or only from rabunim that no one will have the .. to ask them

    47. First I just wanted to say that I have also wondered about the cost of producing all these pamphlets.

      Second, I wanted to say that promising money to this organization and Vaad Ha’arabanim both brought friends and myself Yeshuos and other help that was needed. It could have maybe happened if I would have promised money to a different organization. But maybe the backing of so many different Gedolim and thier brachos is what actually helps with the Yeshuah.

    48. Why VIN would re-publish such an article is beyond my comprehension. The author of the article, Chananya Weissman, whose previous claim to infamy was thinking that he had the solution to the shidduch crisis. The solutions being:

      “1)Matchmaking (“professional” or otherwise)

      2)Singles events and activities (Shabbatonim, NCSY, Shiurim, etc.)

      3)Wholesale introductions (mass socializing, Speed Dating, online dating)

      What do these have in common? They are all designed to help singles meet”

      while his “convent” does mention Hashem, his doctrine just recycles the old material that created the shidduch crisis in the first place.

      Regularly pouring out ones heart to Hashem in davening is not even on the list of his priorities. In continuing Modern orthodoxy’s attack on all things Jewish, he has taken upon himself to compare Goyishe athletes and celebrities that are compensated in the millions for their pictures, to the gedolei oilom, who have to waste their valuable time, and lower themselves to be photographed (and many gedoilim have a kapaida not to be photographed) and are not compensated in any way but do so in order to stress the importance of this charity. It is highly likely that the printing of the fancy glossy brochures are donated, as are the printings of many chinese auction brochures and that is plainly stated on the back. Pringing companies typically do it because it is good PR, they get to demonstrate their product, and it goes to a new list of potential companies. If I were in need of such printing I would only use such a company. To attack Kupat ha’ir and the gedolim who support it, by name, shows the depths to which modern orthodoxy has sunk in their abandonment of all things Jewish. It is only a continuation of the degradation of Torah and gedolim, started in that great bastion of apostasy called Yeshiva University, by people like Norman… oops! I mean Harav Hagoon HArosh HAyeshivah Nachum Lamm Shlit”a (Shlita= shoteh, letz, yukul, tipish, apikoris) who referred to gedolai oilom as “caveman” because they didn’t “embrace the secular world” i.e., Goish culture, like he does. I am moicha bechol Toikef against Weissman being mevaza gedolai hador with cause and without substance. In place of davening, going to gadolai hador and tzaddikim for a bracha, and doing mitzvos to build up zchiusim, Weissman advocates the same singles parties that don’t work! Tearing down the basis of Yiddish belief for centuries and replacing it with goyishe ideals, and IT DOESN’T WORK. Case in point: Chasidishe adolescents have nothing to do with the opposite sex until marriage age. They study, they daven and say tehillim that Hshem should give them a proper shidduch, they use shadchanim and surprise! Most of them are happily married at 18, 19, 20. On the other side of the coin, most modern orthodox are dating (and worse,)have boy friends/girlfriends from their early teens like the secular (goyishe) society around them, go to coed colleges, and then more then 50% of them are still single into their thirties and forties (exactly mirroring the goyish demographics) because… they haven’t met the right person yet. Why? Because there aren’t enough singles events!!!! A blind man could see what is wrong with this picture. But alas people like Weissman that have a degree! pasted on their walls, have come to believe they are smarter than the torah, smarter then the gedolim, and smarter then the generations before them that didn’t have television and cable. Weissman, you need to ask the gedoilim mechila. Your unabashed attack on them and kupat hair, shows you have way way too much time on your hands. Perhaps you should be learning a little more? Chovos halavovos on bitochon? Or do you know more than Rabbainu Bechaya also? After all, he was ONLY a rishon.

    49. i had the opportunity to personally discuss this with some of the gedolim referred to in this article.

      this is the substance of their answer.

      giving tzdaka is a fantastic zchut(s).

      giving to the wrong people/places is not.

      the kupas ha….. is a good place,it has a mechanism to make sure the people that eventually get the money,are people that helping them is a mitsvah of tsdka.

      thus the giver has the zchut/s of tsadka .

    50. I have never before heard of Kupat Hair before this posting and can offer no opinion on the merits of the organization. Notwithstanding, the author of this piece is meshugah!

      As to his criticism of Gedolim “marketing” for tzedakas, I can say is that I receive shnor letters EVERY day from tzedakas and the FIRST THING I look for is who gives them haskamos. If a gadol of the stature of Rav Kanievsky endorses and organization, I know… let me say that again… I KNOW that it is a kosher tzedaka. Rav Kanievsky understands this… that is precisely why he endorses it.

      As to whether or not they use some of their money for fund raising: so what if they do??? I pretty much expect most if not all organizations to spend SOME of their money on fundraising!!! If I send tzedaka to Telshe Yeshiva and they send me back a nice letter thanking me for my money and include a return envelope, it cost them to do that… but guess what? I send them MORE!!! It costs money to RAISE money. That is a given that should be expected with any organization. The inplication that ALL Kupat Hair does with donations is raise MORE money is pure motzei shem ra! BTW, probably half the organizations I give to on a regular basis I would never have heard of in the first place if not for the unsolicited shnor letters I received from them… shnor letters that cost them money to send… last time I checked, the US Postal service does not provide free mail delivery for Jewish charities.

      Third, he decries the “miracle” stories as something akin to xtian miracle workers hawking for money, l’havdil. Perhaps the point is made clumsily but it is ridiculous to say that doing so is to say “give to us and you will be healed.” Maybe it will, maybe it won’t, but these stories merely serve to remind us of a well known Torah principle, that tzedaka is an atonement and can reverse a divine decree, including, c”v, cancer. To suggest otherwise is apikorsus.

      All that being said, gam zu l’tova. Thanks to this idiotic diatribe, I now believe I have discovered a new worthwile tzedaka to give money to.

    51. This should be an easy question to answer. Any reputable charity in the United States files paperwork with the government showing their overhead percentage.

      So, what is the overhead percentage? This should be an easy question to answer.

    52. Hi i’m writing to you from maalot 2 in jerusalem. I am 14 years old and I lost my father when I was 11.We are an american israeli family that moved here 12 years ago. We used to very comfertable until my father got sick.After many years of fighting his rare disease and many trips to america to collect for surgeries he fianally returned to hashem. I believe this is the first time I’m writing a letter online but my mother showed me this article she urged me to write this letter. We have 9 kids in our family and i am the second oldest. I can honestly say we do not have a dollar to our names. Everything and anything we get is given to us from charity. One week tomchei shabbos did not deliver food to us and all shabbos all we had was macaroni. A half a year ago kupat hair contacted us and we went from darkness to light. I finally can bring a snack to yeshiva and not be embarressed from ripped handmedowns. Kupat hair gives our family a reason to keep fighting. Your organazation does do miracles and I know that because a miracle happenned to us. Thank You Kupat Hair.

    53. Anon 2:33,

      You are not completely correct. A religious corporation does not have to file a public 990, unlike other non profits. American friends of Kupat hair is in Boro Park and if they are not listed as a religious corporation you can request a copy of their 990 from them or from the IRS unless they have not yet filed their first 990. I do not know if any such transparency is available in eretz Yisrael, but from what is said about it, you can ask any of the askanim.

    54. don’t attack the messenger!

      his points are valid!

      We do need oversight in the tzedakah world.

      Perhaps some sort of Sarbannes-Oxley for collectors?

    55. We love you VIN!!! Thanks for letting the questions be heard. We have the right to question and wonder, and you are doing a good job bringing those questions and topics to mind.

      Keep up the good work.

    56. i”v always wondered about this kupat ha’er the whole thing dosent make sense their advertisment’s the rabbi’s it was so nausiating to see them every week , it wasent an encourgment for me to donate AT ALL, if anything discourgement , and then theres the competition trying to do the same . the minute i saw their leaflet in any newspaper i shred it.

    57. Guys, Shut it all up! If you wouldn’t have bread on your table you would of understood the need for advertising, Do you really wanna see the reason?!

    58. Does anyone even know what some of these organizations do and what the difference between them is … Kupat Ha’Ir and Vaad Harabbonim or Gateways and Oorah ect.

      one things is for sure they definitely know how to ask for money

    59. I have personaly seen great things happen after giving money to Kupat Ha’iyr.

      I have personaly received (in person) brochos from H’rav Kanievsky for supporting this organization.

      I have seen thier great work.

      It is so easy to tear down others.

      To the person who wrote that article. Please ask yourself what you have acomplished by doing this?

      How will you personaly make up for any shortfall of tzedakah to aniyim that your evil speech may cause.

      I wish I would know what you look like just to make sure I never get in a car or an elevator with you.

    60. It’s a pretty safe bet that the pictured Rabbonim aren’t aware of the hundreds of instances that their names and signatures and pictures(often the same one) are being used for marketing and exploitation of the fears of those in need. This is another in along series of good ideas that are out of control.

    61. Bottomline is to give tzeddokeh kupat hair or not,we have everyday nysoyon of opening the front door or giving in shul.”tzeddokeh tatsyl memoves”,hopefully all of us can come over the yetzer horoh.

    62. Is there genuine transparency ?? Can anyone check to see how much/little Kupas Hair is spending on these glossy ads? Are there really

      some generous printers that donate their services

      (as some suggest) or are these huge printing costs being channeled to well connected friends & mishpacha etc. at “list” prices?

      Maybe they should print a flyer soliciting

      discounted or donated printing services.

      Maybe some printers should offer their deeply discounted services to Tzedakas (if they can) and they can print on the bottom “This pamphlet donated by ???? Printing Ltd.”

      I have no problem with them using gedolim in their ads as I assume that their endorsment means that this is a very worthy and legitimate cause.

      I always like to look at pictures of erliche gedolim, however I cringe when I have to throw them in the garbage.

      It would help alot if everyone had easy access to

      the detailed finances & expenses of all these tzedakas so that they can make an intelligent choice of where to channel ther tzedaka money.

      Of course it costs money to fundraise & advertise tzedakas but is it done efficiently or is money being squandered or siphoned to “mishpacha” & “bekante” etc.

      The best interests of the tzedaka cause must always be the only priority.

      I am in no way being choshed Kupas Hair as I have no knowledge of their operation other than seeing the very fancy/pricey advertising.

      I wish them much continued Hatzlacha in their avodas hakodesh and hope this “article” will not effect them negatively.

    63. The Yated Ne’eman actually had an article last week making the same point, but in a different tone. It was called “The Kishke segula”. He also seemed to be taking them to task for playing up the “magical segulah” angle at the expense of Hashem as the Borei uManhig.

    64. Matzahlocal101 Says:

      Why VIN would re-publish such an article is beyond my comprehension. The author of the article, Chananya Weissman, whose previous claim to infamy was thinking that he had the solution to the shidduch crisis. The solutions being:

      “1)Matchmaking (“professional” or otherwise)

      2)Singles events and activities (Shabbatonim, NCSY, Shiurim, etc.)

      3)Wholesale introductions (mass socializing, Speed Dating, online dating)

      What do these have in common? They are all designed to help singles meet”

      while his “convent” does mention Hashem, his doctrine just recycles the old material that created the shidduch crisis in the first place.

      Regularly pouring out ones heart to Hashem in davening is not even on the list of his priorities. In continuing Modern orthodoxy’s attack on all things Jewish, he has taken upon himself to compare Goyishe athletes and celebrities that are compensated in the millions for their pictures, to the gedolei oilom, who have to waste their valuable time, and lower themselves to be photographed (and many gedoilim have a kapaida not to be photographed) and are not compensated in any way but do so in order to stress the importance of this charity. It is highly likely that the printing of the fancy glossy brochures are donated, as are the printings of many chinese auction brochures and that is plainly stated on the back.

      ===============================================

      The very mere fact that these pictures are doctored and phto shopped is reason to believe that this whole org is not yoshor and kosher.\ Dont tell me that these rabbonim are letting take pictures . Its all abounch of bunk. They are cluless that their pictures are doctored

    65. to Matzohlocal101

      Is your hatred filled rant at 1:49 a.m. an example of how you have been trained to live your life? If you were to ask the gedolim, would they approve of character assasinations and name-calling?

    66. I think that these campaigns going on between these two organizations is ugly ‘Kupat Ha’ir’ and ‘Vaad Harabanim’ they both are trying to beat each other, i dont look at their brochures anymore. i just hate to see organizations fighting over who can advertise better and spend more money on advertising.

    67. i agree with the writer its a problem with most tzedakas. nowadays tzedaka turned into a business if you know a cause there you go you have parnossah(im not diminishing the causes some tzedakas do good stuff)how come people cant give tzedaka leshaim shamayim why does it have to be for a chinese auction or raffle etc… people dont give leshaim shamayim anymore

    68. For all those who say the rabbonim are clueless – do u really think they cant get a hold of the millions of pamphlets that go out with these pictures – this has been going on for years and they have never stopped it – people have personally gone to these rabonim and asked about it and only got brachos for donating. so before criticizing – maybe take a trip down to these rabbonim with as many brochures as you can get a hold of and go through all that with them and see what they say.

    69. I also find the bold, expensive publicity irritating, and I count myself among those that discard the inserts and mass mailings as soon as I see them. But the thing that really bothers me most is the message that was stated at the beginnings of these campaigns. That message was that “aniyei ircho” was fulfilled by giving to that organization, and took precedence to any other “aniyei ircho”. That statement was angering. If my next door neighbor became unemployed, and did not have what to eat, it was more important to give to an organization that probably does wonderful things in E”Y, at the expense of giving to my neighbor?!?! That statement was reported as endorsed by the gedolim. I cannot believe they said it. And I continue to give to tzedokos according to my ability, and I accept the real “aniyei ircho” as having halachic priority.

    70. With regard to the IRS Form 990, there is a website that allows for one to search for free for many of these completed forms. It appears that this National Center for Charitable Statistics provides this free service for many of these 990 forms and places a PDF file of the form available for anyone to search and retrieve. I searched for “American friends of Kupat Hair” and found a 2006 completed form posted.

      I quickly scanned the content for the 2006 form. They raised $3,241,020 and distributed $2,536,354, so 78.26% of the money is distributed to the Kupat Hair organization in Israel. The IRS form does not mention or cover what the expenses of Kupat Hair are in Israel where the money is distributed to the needy. This is only for the American organization. All 3 organization officers have their names listed and report that they are not receiving any compensation. Fundraising expenses were $693,410 with the 2 largest expenses of $387,364 for postage and shipping and $147,652 for advertising. On the last page of the 990 form there is a mention of $75,103 for poster hanging.

      These are the facts as reported to the IRS. Now, whether these are reasonable or unreasonable expenses, one has to compare to other organizations and make a decision. Please note that although many 990 forms are available on that website, many Yeshivas will not have that information listed as for certain reasons (I think because religious institutions such as churches and synagogues are not required to file this form.)

    71. “HAMALIG AL DIVREI CHACHOMIM”=APIKORUS

      Unless you can prove that the advertising campain is a fraud and that the Gedolei Hador shown in the adverttisements do not, in fact, endorse Kupat Hair, you are a ChutzPanik and a mean-spirited person, who is seriously damaging a legitimate TzeDaKah organization that is simply using modern communication and marketing techniques to efeectively reach a wider audience.

      The institution of the SHADA”R (emissary from Eretz Yisroel) is a very old and respected tech ique for raising TzeDakah funds for the poor of the Holy Land. Obviously, the emissary had to have his travel and lodging expenses paid. Ther is anunavoidable cost in reaching out to a wider audience to raise the large sums that are necessary to help massive numbers of widows, orphans and sick people in Israel, who are subject to the tender mercies of Olmert and Barak.

    72. Chananya:

      Did you bother to even call the Kupath Hair and ask them who is paying for their ads?? You went ahead and immediately made assumptions. If you were truly interested in uncovering the truth, you could have done some simple research.

      I can tell you that there is a Rav in Los Angeles that was approached to represent them in LA. Before agreeing to, he asked that he be allowed to audit the books unhindered. He sent a group of CPA’s to Eretz Yisroel, and they spent 2 days going through everything with a fine look. After the two days, he agreed to represent them in LA!!!

      Chananya, I challenge you to do the same, before publishing such a blasphemous article.

      I say at the same time, lets analyze what results has “end the madness” provided??

    73. The quiestion comes down to this if because of all their pr they raise anouther two million dollars a year for almonohs and yesomim is that a good thing or not?

    74. “It is fundamentally wrong to judge someone based on non-Halachic externalities. Doing so is an act of sinas chinam, the primary cause of our continued exile and national suffering. Reciting tehillim will not save us as long as the reason for our punishment continues in such force”

      Chananya Weissman (end the madness.org)

      Weissman you are a fraud

    75. I just wonder if the Gedolim know what’s going on with their pictures. It hurts me when I see all marketing materials with pictures on the street, torn, people stepping on it, cars riding over it. On the walls half ripped……it got so out of hand and that has to change.

    76. The thing that bothers me most about these ads is the way all these organizations find an obscure segula and advertise it as if the only way to do it is by giving the money to them. Then all the other orgs. jump on the bandwagon and all say the same thing. Before Shavuos there must have been 6-7 orgs with posters and flyers promoting R’ Chaim Falagi’s segula of giving 104 coins to have children, each one with quotes from gedolim (sometimes the same ones!) claiming that “the best way to fulfill this segula is to give to Org. X”.

      In general, it seems that davening to Hashem and having Bitachon has been replaced with silver rings, bechers with funny words inside them, Chai Rotel, and all other manner of hocus pocus. Not to say that these segulos are not legit, but they are only meant as a way to enhance our tefillos, not replace them.

    77. weismann is an idiot and this whole article should be taken down. he comes off as hating the establishment and being very jealous and petty. he is a fraud and and should not be listened to he is a disgrace and should be banned. his articles in the jewish press are also bad and he should not be allowed to write anymore

    78. The IRS reports that kupat ha’ir gave out over $2.5 million dollars to aniyim last year 78.26% of thier gross.

      That is beautifull! wonderfull!

      What is the point of the article?

      to hurt the poor in Israel?

      No wonder Weissman is not married maybe his next op-ed should be the evils of the soup kitchen in Boro Park

    79. Here’s an interesting fact. tell me if anyone else noticed.

      Kupat ha’ir STOPPED showing rabbi pics in their latest “KOS YESHUOS” magazine insert, stopped showing rabbi’s putting money in the box, but starting laying HEAVY on the dramatic stories and INCREDIBLY LONG drawn out cases of multiple donations and incredible shidduch DRAMAS, almost like those teenage girls novels u find in the judaica store.

      CONVERSELY, the started advertising BIG REBBE PICS and endorsements in the SEPHARDIC MAGAZINES like the Community Magazine in Brooklyn.

      This shows they are running “sophisticated” marketing campaigns and techniques and using market specific techniques to maximize revenue.

      As well, their “segulah” for shavuot, that was quite tricky. Both Kupat and Vaad ran their R’ Palagi segulah promotion, one not disclosing the segulah but prominently showing their phone number, the other displaying the segulah and the phone number. The source for this “segulah” was quite weak and seems to only give another reason for people to donate to the organization at this opportune time when peoples pocketbooks are open.

    80. Thanks to all who wrote in. After reading 90 some odd posts: 1.It is nice to see that so many people really would like to help Yiden. 2. I will AI”H BL”N try to give money to these org. I think they can can be considerd R. meir baal hanes. 3. I very very much have got to get back to work. Brachos to all.

    81. ~This shows they are running “sophisticated” marketing campaigns and techniques and using market specific techniques to maximize revenue.

      I think what you are trying to say is they are altering their marketing methods to the chassidesh and yeshivesh market because of slight or anticipated backlash.

      But now are using their original method on in fresh and new market.

      Next thing you know all the charities will start marketing to sephardim too. That’s good news to the owners of the sephardic publications!

    82. I don’t know who is right or wrong, but I won’t give to any charity that has so much controversy surrounding it. Even if the money goes for a good cause for the most part, and I believe it does, if they practice deceptive techniques, I go elsewhere. There are plenty of other tzedokos to give to that don’t resort to such lows.

    83. unbelievable how low people can drop.. critic all day, how about lending a helping hand to all those holy organizations and their volunteers? how about sponsoring a booklet for them, so they reach out to the world in a proper manner? by damaging an important organization like this one, you’re hurting and causing big casualties in the homes of hundreds of poor, needy, widows and brokenhearted orphans.

    84. I think this article is 100% on the mark. It couldnt have been said any better. He’s not bashing the tzedoko, just the way its being marketed!!!

    85. Anon 2:33,

      You are not completely correct. A religious corporation does not have to file a public 990, unlike other non profits.

      YOU ARE ONE HUNDREED PERCENT WRONG !!!

      CHURCHES AND SYNAGOUGES DO NOT HAVE TO FILE A 990

      EVERYONE ELSE HASE TO.

      ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS NOT FILING A 990 WHICH HAS COLLECTED OVER $25,000 WHICH THERE ARE MANY OF THEM IS COMMITING FRAUD !!!

      BP Bikur Cholim Files one

      Chai Life Line Files

      Some of the Aish Chapters File

      MOSHE IN BP

    86. Leah says – We must remember that tzadaka shoeld first be given to the ppl. in our own city, state ect.

      FYI: Aneeyai Eretz Yisroel have the same din as Aneeyai Ircho – plz check with your Rov

    87. As far as Rabbi Meir Baal Hanes:

      Who owns the trademark on that? There are at least 5-6 organizations using the name.

      You can give to ANY tzedaka and say “LeIluy Nishmas Rabbi Meir Baal Hanes” ant it’s the same ting.

    88. Aaah! Good old Kupat Hair (without the apostrophe!) I have gotten fed up with having their booklets rammed down my throat – in with the local advertising pamphlet, in all the newspapers, in with all the magazines. Surely it would be cheaper to just get the mailing lists of each city and post ONE to each household and nothing else?!! What a waste of paper, money, time etc. I also object to the ONLY us attitude – what about tzedoko for your own town out of Israel?! I feel that tzedoko is tzedoko and you will see the same results no matter to whom you ocntribute as long as it is done correctly.

    89. I can think of many Tzedakah Organizations who fall in this catergory.

      How about the ones that sell Sforim for money they publish about Loshan Horah and many other topics? Now there is nothing wrong in selling those Sforim but don’t go around sending letters out asking for contributions for their noble deed when it’s a business venture. After all they don’t distribute those Sforim free of charge.

      The list goes on and on ……

    90. There are some professional organizations that have employees on the phone, calling all day for contributions. The same fellow can call once for Yeshiva “A” then for Moysdos “B” and thereafter for Kupath “C”. Yes, they probably do forward a sum to the organization they represent in their call but what they don’t tell you is that they get a lions’ share of the money for their work (sometimes up to 90%+). They’ll claim that “lasdt time you gave $100 (or whatever sum) and could you now please match it or do better? (Chuzpah works in their favor). People getting the call think that the organization itself is calling and feel embarrassed to decline them! What a scheme.

      If you want to help any institution or organization then just say ‘no’ to these callers and mail your check directly.

    91. if i were to be coming in to this discussion and reading this with no preivies knowledge i would find something very interesting.one single guy who writes for a newspaper who at least 55%of us never heard of and witch zero gedolim approve of vs.at least ten gedoli hador approving kaput hayar, i don’t even see a reason to even start to reckon who is right, this guy is aviesly not to jewish so ignore him like you would ignore the raving drunks in the park he is just jealous that kaput hayar dosent avertise whith his paper.

    92. Anon 2:55 – “preivies?” “55%?” Where did you get that number? “witch?” “aviesly not to jewish?” “avertise?” Buddy, I think if you want to get your point across, you have to sound like a somewhat intelligent person.

    93. The IRS reports that kupat ha’ir gave out over $2.5 million dollars to aniyim last year 78.26% of thier gross.

      That is beautifull! wonderfull!

      What is the point of the article?

      to hurt the poor in Israel?

      No wonder Weissman is not married maybe his next op-ed should be the evils of the soup kitchen in Boro Park

      06-26-2008 – 12:00 PM

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      just curious how does the irs believe they gave that much with no way of knowing if its inded true. Do they get a letter from the recipient of that money? anyone can make up any number they want. Is aneeyim also considered printing costs?

    94. Anonymous Says:

      Chananya:

      Did you bother to even call the Kupath Hair and ask them who is paying for their ads?? You went ahead and immediately made assumptions. If you were truly interested in uncovering the truth, you could have done some simple research.

      I can tell you that there is a Rav in Los Angeles that was approached to represent them in LA. Before agreeing to, he asked that he be allowed to audit the books unhindered. He sent a group of CPA’s to Eretz Yisroel, and they spent 2 days going through everything with a fine look. After the two days, he agreed to represent them in LA!!!

      Chananya, I challenge you to do the same, before publishing such a blasphemous article.

      I say at the same time, lets analyze what results has “end the madness” provided??

      06-26-2008 – 11:15 AM

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      If this is indeed true that why are you not telling us whon this so called rov is. Is it a secret? Theres no reason for it to be a sceret especially since he is in charge of publics money . Please tell us who this srav is or dont bother posting at all.

    95. I have long felt the same way that Reb Chananya feels about the sale of segulas. As such, I do not donate to Kupat Ha’ir and have urged my family and friends to refrain likewise. For those commenting above who disagree,by all means continue to donate. To paraphrase a well known saying, “No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the Chareidi puplic.”

    96. I doubt anyone will this far down in the blog but if anybod reads this it will be worth it.

      It took alot of pressure on behalf of many askanim to get KUPAT HAIR to write on their colorful brochures just what city they were collecting for. When a person sees KUPAT HAIR in Yerushalayim, he assumes that it is going to aniyei yerushalayim when in reality it is a BNAI BRAQ organazation. Even now that they agreed to put BNEI BRAQ on the ad it is very small in some place that is hard to see…

      Just another one of their advertising ploys…

    97. flabbergasted:

      Those numbers are certified by a CPA you know the same kind of person that certifies your income tax

      Which I am sure is 100% acurate

    98. No one is saying that their books are not in order. No one is saying that thay are cheaters.

      All that is said is that their style of ADVERTISING is something new to yiddishkeit and maybe warped. I am sure that they do alot of good for alot of people… SO DO MANY OTHERS….

    99. Lerner Says:

      flabbergasted:

      Those numbers are certified by a CPA you know the same kind of person that certifies your income tax

      Which I am sure is 100% acurate

      06-26-2008 – 5:55 PM

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      Your avoiding to answer the question.

      Does the recipient give a receipt to the tzedaka org to sgow he received the goods? and if not how can they claim they gave millions . There has to be a paper trail . Dont act dumb just answer the question

    100. And finally as someone who works with non-profits. 78% isn’t a bad figure (it’s not amazing though) for a total gross. The real question though is how you arrived at that figure. Kupat Hair isn’t listed on guidestar or charity navigator, which makes it suspect.

      The charity that I give to in Israel, Migdal Ohr, has an extraordinarily high rating.

    101. If this organasation is in fact honest and holy then every peeny that this organasation does not get becouse of you will be on your neshama. yes I know you probaly dont care about your neshama. In fact who says there is such a thing, right?

    102. Firstly all printed materials are donated seperately than general appeals.

      Secondly the gedoilim have given their consent that every charity case is fully valid and none of the recipients are dubious.

      Thirdly the organizers of Kupat Haair and the various other charities you implied are faced with a growing crisis…. namely there deficit continues to grow at almost the same pace as the people in need of the charity.

      In order to raise the required funds they must do all they possibly can through any legitimate means and raise as much as they can.

      Finally by your insensitivwe article with false facts and conclusions you could ultimately prove responsible for numerous poverty stricken families to remain in their current state destroying their hopes and possibilities of getting the help they so desperately need.

      Thank you for contributing your assistance in creating more poor families in Israel, I hope it does not weigh to heavly on your hearts, and next time you go out and by a pizza, new suit or whatever it may be think how thanks to YOU some other jewish family cannot.

    103. Whoever says that yeshouas and miracles from kupait hair don’t hapen are mamash rishaum gamorim.

      I was having troubles with my mudder-in-law for so long, she was kvetching this, kvetching that. All the time. I thought I was going to divorce my wife. But I read about the yeshouas and the nefilim and niflaot from Kupat Ha’ir and I sent a check for two thousand dollars to Kupat Hair and the next week my mudder-in-law came down with terminal brain cancer.

      Thank you Kupat Ha’ir!

    104. I have been saying this for years since back in the day when their material seeemed much less dangerous and they just had pictures of “what the gedolim do before lighting Chanuka candles opr after” etc. etc. I have the utmost respect for our leadrers but what Kupat hair etc. does to them and to us is SICK-then they put new propoganda based on their old propoganda “Reb Chaim’s grandson looked at him and wondered could it be that Maran did not know what all of am Yisrael knows that in times like these you DONATE to KUPAT Hair”_This is SICK> WE have been brainwashed as was so eloquently said and I myself fall into the trap sometimes-“maybe it is true” HOW CAN IT BE TRUE That THIS Is THE BEST TZEDAKAH -Do the Gedolim REALLY feel that way? I don’t think so what It is really scary what has been done to us slowly, slowly starting with ggedolim donating then Gedolim signing then Yeshuos then Yeshuos in the homes of the Gedolim then yeshuos even to the NON-Believers-I think that this is a really big issue. I am going to speak to my Rosh Yeshiva about it and see what he says. I once saw two men from Kupat Hair waiting to speak to my RY about Kupat Hair and the RY was busy. These two men were upset and told the president of the yeshive -A BIG Tomech Torah a real askan and bal tzedakah “Ubber Kupat hair is the beste tzedakah” and the askan lost it _How can you say that Ess kumpt nisht tzo Hachzokas Hatorah” Anyway I used to be FIRE against them but I myself have been dulled by tyheir fear mongering tactics and the SLIGHT doubt within me that says that if the gedolim etc etc but in the depths of my heart I believe that this is not good. Whenever I pick up or see on the street (WE shouldn’t hang signs on the streets anyway its illegal and NOT ztnius-That is what Tznius is to be Tzanua-not loud not advertise yourself etc. etc ) their brochures something feels very wrong.

    105. I don’t think that someone that questions Kupat Hair or more specificallt the methods of Kupat Hair can be called an Malig al Divrei Chachomim. It is very possibble and maybe even probable that they do very good work when it comes to giving Tzedakah. But I don’t think their intoducing of this new marketing methods was advised to them form the gedolim or even sanctioned by them (not withstanding that they have “pictures” of the Gedolim reading Their Own stories-We have become numbed)

    106. The very name of the organisation is Geneivas Daas. If it was called Kupas Bnei Berak no-one would give it a penny.

      People assume the “Ir” is Yerusholayim.

    107. I appreciate all the “inteligent” input by the bloggers of this site. It is critical to clarify my point regarding LIPA.

      LIPA is a TAYERE YUNGERMAN but he is not capable of understanding the impact his style/genre has on YIDDISHKEIT. LIPA is a product of a failed chinuch system…

      It is therefore the responsibility of the few thinking individualls to stop the tidal wave of sewage from flooding our community and homes.

      the butcher in Monsey probably could argue the same point; who told you to buy my meat? But of course most of us were unaware of the fact that the meat is not kosher. After all the butcher masqueraded as a frum person…

      Most parents and many of you on this site are good but naive people and don’t get the connection between music and behavior.

      YES! Music does influence human behavior. (remember the hippies’ sixties?)

      There is an element of ‘PERIKATH OL’ in today’s youth and the music in part is to blame for it.

      Those who argue and say “well, gee don’t let let it into your home” and “don’t let your children listen to it” are hopefully not as stupid as they appear… It is nearly impossible to be immune to the grunge some refer to as JEWISH music being forced on us. It is polluting all public places where one must attend on a daily basis.

      At weddings etc. if a musician/singer is not up to date with the latest chazerai he is out of business.

      We live in a free society and as such you may disagree with my standpoint. I accept that in tandem with the fact that some of us are unhappy with our heritage and would like to somewhat modernize and be with the ‘in’ crowd. Good for you! but please realize that you are not the ‘KLAL’ but rather the ‘YOTZEI MIN HAKLAL’. You are the EXCEPTION!

      Most of us are clinging dearly to ‘DERECH YISROEL SAVA’ our handed-down tradition and are just fine with that. We are happy to accept the opinion of ‘ERLICHE YIDDEN’ and to follow their rulings.

      Let me sign off with the cliche; ‘time will tell’.

      I wish you all much hatzlocho and lots of nachas from your children, gandchildren an great grand children.

    108. Mazal tov on having the courage to pulbish this article. Condolences to us all for it being considered ‘courageous’ to speak the most basic, obvious truths about something like this—and look at the inane responses! Hashem Yeracheim! One hardly knows where to begin pointing out the extreme wrongheadedness of most of the replies, many of them semi-literate, if not outright inane. Some folks appeared to think it’s perfectly OK to tell absurd stories of miracles—even if untrue!—in order to raise funds for tzedakah. Others, unsurprisingly, expressed outrage at someone even daring to question any organization with the word ‘gedolim’ attached to its literature. Overwhelmingly, the comments on this article failed completely to address the issues raised therein.

      It’s quite demoralizing that an articulate, well-considered essay elicits this sort of “debate”—had this been the intellectual state of our people 2000 years ago, we wouldn’t have anything resembling the gemara today.

    109. Before you speak up against the rabbis why don’t you do some research into the organization and where the money goes to, I have given to this organization numerous times and I have only seen blessing. Show me one advertisement of a Rabbi promoting a product, I don’t think you can find one but when it comes to charity to help others, you see them and you have the nerve to speak up against them. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are not helping people make informed decisions which you state that you are. Instead of looking into things, to you its so clear meanwhile you dont know a thing about the organization, you have no right to speak.

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    111. The marketing claims are despicable, and outright suggest that people who don’t have much money should give what little they have left to this organization for a miracle.

      This is despicable, and for The Jewish Press to allow itself to be used to promote this (for $$$) is not much better.

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