New York – Historic: Charedi Newspaper Publishes For First Time Editorial By Rabbi About Abuse In The Frum Community

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    Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz Editor Of Charedi Newspaper YatedNew York – There is an issue that has been on my mind for several years. It is an extremely sensitive topic and I tried writing about it many times but couldn’t find the right words with which to express what I wanted to say in a way that would be beneficial and adhere to standards of derech eretz and fairness.

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    I have discussed my predicament with many gedolim and they all encouraged me to write about it here in the Yated and said that Hashem would help me find the proper voice.

    The sad fact is that children in our community are being abused by perpetrators who prey upon their innocence and our silence. We don’t have a count of how many people are hurt, but it is much larger than we realized, even a short time ago. There is no real debate about the catastrophic effects of abuse.

    The innocence and purity of children is destroyed for life. The victims remain hurt, shamed and scarred. They suffer in silence, afraid to reveal their secret to anyone. They are hounded by feelings of guilt and embarrassment and live lives of tortured pain. The overwhelming majority of survivors suffer in silence, unless they are lucky enough to endure agonizing, arduous, expensive therapy. However, even a lifetime of therapy doesn’t ensure that the victim can ever be fully healthy again. Not every young victim’s psyche can be healed. Victims are much more likely to go off the derech, become addicted to drugs and lead a life of abusing themselves and others.

    Let us be clear: For too long, we weren’t tuned in to these innocent victims’ stories and their pain. For too long, we weren’t sufficiently aware that this problem existed and thus were able to ignore the quiet pleas, the sad eyes, the pained lives, and the personalities withdrawn. We didn’t recognize the warning signs and thus largely ignored the phenomenon. Equally clear, this inattention was not a function of some high level conspiracy to harm people or cover up for criminals or abet nefarious activities. It was simply a function of a lack of education about a complex and highly sophisticated problem. It was a result of our leadership simply being unaware of the depths that such sordid people could sink to, and the extreme skill perpetrators exhibit in covering their tracks. And yes, it was undeniably a gezeirah, which, as so often is the case, claims innocent holy souls – bikroyvai Ekodeish.

    I am all too aware that it is fashionable in certain circles to blame this all on our rabbinic leadership. These people have yet to explain why our rabbonim, who devote their lives to serving people, would want to hurt anyone. The days when being a rov or rosh yeshiva meant strictly paskening shailos or teaching Torah are long gone. Rabbonim routinely spend an overwhelming portion of their time dealing with every type of personal problem imaginable. I don’t have to elaborate on this now, but suffice it to say that it defies logic to accuse our most choshuve leaders, who exhibit much mesiras nefesh, of coldhearted indifference. As I said, the problem was a lack of understanding.

    Those days are behind us. We understand our challenges now and we have to live up to them. There are many things we have to do to help prevent future cases. In fact, in recent years, much has been accomplished. It would probably surprise some of the critics to know that in the past five years, the Vaad Roshei Yeshivah of Torah Umesorah has devoted many meetings, encompassing scores of hours, to these issues. As one who regularly attends these meetings, I can tell you that no single subject has been discussed in greater length and depth, in excruciating detail, than preventing abuse. Many sophisticated guidelines and programs have been designed and disseminated in all our schools. Implementation has not been universal, but we have clearly begun to turn the tide in the school area. I will devote another article to detail some of these efforts. Today, I want to focus on the topic I began with – the innocent victims.

    We almost never do anything for these victims. We look at them as small children. We don’t peer into their little hearts. We don’t follow up with them. We don’t do anything to assuage their piercing pain and harrowing hurt. Usually, we don’t know who the victims are, for their parents are petrified lest they be stigmatized for life.

    They go through life distressed and tormented, and the fact that they think that we don’t care adds insult to injury and makes the wounds that much more difficult to heal. They think that if we would know what happened to them, we wouldn’t respond with compassion and love. They think that the world around them would turn a deaf ear to their cries and be uninterested in their stories.

    So they go through life feeling isolated, betrayed and abandoned. It is about time that as a community we join together and shout out to them that we have been silent for too long. We have been oblivious for too long. And we are going to do something about it. This is what we say:

    “We realize it wasn’t your fault. We realize you didn’t do anything wrong. We realize that you were singled out for punishment due to no fault of your own. We realize you were taken advantage of. We love you. We care about you. We are here for you. We will listen and we will hear. You are not alone.”

    We have to get a message to the children who have been wronged that they don’t have to resort to drugs or worse to cleanse themselves and restore their self respect and self worth.

    How do we get that message across? Neither by being quiet, nor by being shrill. First we strengthen those groups in our machane who are devoted to counseling and aiding victims. We tell the victims they are innocent; we feel their pain and are here to help them. We prove that by continuing to implement parent and community-wide education and prophylactic programs to prevent future horrors. Above all, we deliver the message by living lives of Torah – a Toras Chesed and Toras Emes – by being kind and compassionate to all. We do it by not embarrassing anyone and not jumping to conclusions about the reasons people act the way they do. We must conduct ourselves to all with true love and compassion. We should treat victims like brothers, without prejudice, never knowing what pain and hurt lies in their hearts, forcing them to act the way they do.

    One thing is clear: silence is acquiescence. Silence permits the affliction to fester. We must be prepared to lift the veil off the more embarrassing goings-on in our communities so that we rid ourselves of evil and malice and the pain they cause. We will thus be preparing the world for the coming of Moshiach and the erasure of all tears.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    NEWS FLASH: Moshiach’s arrival is imminent.

    DerNister
    DerNister
    15 years ago

    It’s a wonderful thing to use G-d as a tool for the abrogation of personal responsibility.

    Liepa
    Liepa
    15 years ago

    One major point that’s important to add, actually very critical to add, in order to reduce or control these tragic episodes, we need to have the full force of our judicial system bear down on the perpertrators of these heinous acts and not let them get away with their evil doings. They need to be exposed as a danger to the community. We musn’t let them get away with it. In my neighborhood everyone can point out a specific individual whom we keep our kids away from, especially in the mikvah.

    fahrfrumt
    fahrfrumt
    15 years ago

    Mazal Tov!
    Boruch Hashem the next line has been crossed towards safety and healing for our children. This is a big step.

    Alteryid
    Alteryid
    15 years ago

    What is he saying? He is telling us there is a problem. He is telling us we should listen to the children. But he is avoiding the issue as to what should be done to the perpetrators of this terrible deed. Beautiful words but nothing else.
    Why doesn’t any one get up and say how the accusations be handled. That issue is being sidestepped.

    fahrfrumt
    fahrfrumt
    15 years ago

    Mazal Tov!
    Boruch Hashem the next line has been crossed towards safety and healing for our children. This is a big step.

    yitzy
    yitzy
    15 years ago

    YOUR UNCLE MORAN RAV ELYA WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU FOR HAVING THE GUTS TO WRITE ABOUT THIS ISSUE

    RAV ELYS TOOKE ON CERTAIN WELL KNOWN ABUSERS

    AGAINST PUBLIC OPNION IN BALTIMORE

    AND HAD A ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ABUSE

    Yosele Pondrek
    Yosele Pondrek
    15 years ago

    Maybe they could start reporting current news too! I already know what happened last month.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    SO? this makes up for years of silence?

    gevaldig
    gevaldig
    15 years ago

    brilliant….give him a piece of potato kugel

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Read the mishpacha this week!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Finally a sane voice for a catastrophic phenomenon. A much needed break from the cacophony of blame-gamers.

    Boroparker
    Boroparker
    15 years ago

    I like the homodia newspaper. Its so big mit lots of pages so I could fill up the bird cage for a whole week and trow it away with the bird poop.

    George
    George
    15 years ago

    You can try to write it off as a lack of understanding or unawareness by “rabbonim” but the facts speak from themselvs. Victims were ignored because it wasnt conveniant for them to be heard. That it’s against any logic is beside the point.

    And just like the “Rabbis” who ignored the victims cries, you chose not to write about it for the past few years – not because of a lack of words – but because you hoped it would pass or it wasnt conveniant. After all youre being advised by the same rabbis who were acquiescence to these crimes – by not taking action.

    If not for some shrill bloggers and other truly caring people, this matter would have continued to fester, the issue would wallow below the surface, and most definitly your paper would’nt have touched the topic.

    Rabbi Lipschutz wheres the apology for your acquiescence to this atrocity!

    Loshon Hora
    Loshon Hora
    15 years ago

    A Loshon Hora tabloid with an agenda, which has now changed direction, will do nothing. IMHO
    We really need a Yom Tefilah at least once a year, with signatures of all and all in attendance, plus very strong speach. A hand stretched out to teshuva [even though impossible overhere where others are damaged in an unfogivable way] at least gowing foward. Some system where sickos could turn themselves in,and be registered in a heimishe rehab center lockup, similar to a mental asylum, where they would only be able to leave after physyciatric evaluation, with or wiothout electronic monitoring.They would also have to reveal their victims so that they could be helped.
    I guess a super program with the help of the government should be set up. This will cost the taxpayer a lot less than pursuing the legal system, and would probably be more effective. Yes some will try to cover it up, they may evemnn be the Shatz at their local asifa, etc, but the more alert the oilam is, the easier to catch them.
    Only my opinion, I am not aware if this has been tried yet, or how these warped people work, or react to know if it will succeed.

    Wrong Focus
    Wrong Focus
    15 years ago

    While I commend Rabbi Lipschutz for his concern and compassion, respectfully, he should focus his efforts on a more important aspect of this issue, namely, the prevention of these atrocities.

    CBS
    CBS
    15 years ago

    It all sounds so good but……….nothing will change until the haredim change their views that being religious and pious doesn’t make abuse any more acceptable than this type of behavior does for the gentiles. Until we all understand that abuse of children is wrong no matter who/ what/ where or when it is practised nothing will change. Bottom line…………if guilty………….nothing less than prison.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    What was done to me is unforgivable at least now now things are starting to be done and hopefully other kids won’t have the ruined childhood I had!

    Noach
    Noach
    15 years ago

    So after all the castigation UOJ was right!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Rabbi Lipschutz misunderatnds the criticism leveled at the Rabbinic leadership.
    A Manhig has to be pro-active and daring, Our Torah leadership comes from the judicary and therefore is re-active and cautious. In other words it is misnomer to call the Gedolim keaders, they are in fact followers .

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “And yes, it was undeniably a gezeirah, which, as so often is the case, claims innocent holy souls – bikroyvai Ekodeish” “rabbi” lipshitz, who do you think you are to think that you know g-ds plans & reasons!!???

    We Need Rabonim
    We Need Rabonim
    15 years ago

    We need Rabonim & Manhigim, they don’t neccesarly have to be the same person. A Rav to paskin shailos and a Rosh hakheila to manage the rest, a Rebbe for the spiritual and a Rosh Hakohal to run the rest.

    Gefilte Fish
    Gefilte Fish
    15 years ago

    Oh the joy! finally we can write something meaningful to so many! I’m so excited about this, although I never buy jewish newspapers I will now.
    This is such a great historic day, I’m sure historians will remember this for a long time to come. I can imagine the joy and celebrating in the high heavens right now, they are all dancing with these newspapers in their hands…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    We have to realize that nobody is Denying that when someone is really sic we go to a doctor – who want in college 7 years, so with molesters. Only the experts can take care, not our community!!!

    PMO
    PMO
    15 years ago

    It is incredible how much attention is finally being given to this issue. It reminds of how the “silent” marital abuse victims were ignored for so long.

    One problem, that we do not talk about, is that parents will not allow their children to come forward for fear of ruining their ability for a shidduch, and possibly ruining the siblings’ chances as well. As I’ve heard from so many sick individuals here… “nobody wants their son/daugher to marry into a family with problems”. How vile.

    I only hope that as we move through the process of dealing with this issue that we can find some way to protect the victims and their families from the disgusting and vile prejudice they will face for publicly coming forward. This is a matter of p’kuach nefesh as the chances of suicide or drug overdose are very high in victims.

    Personally, I would like to see the rabbonim find a way to punish those who further victimize these children by getting in the way of shidduchim or any other kind of harassment.

    We have a long way to go, but at least the train has finally pulled out of the station.

    IS IT
    IS IT
    15 years ago

    Is it really the place for a Heimishe newspaper to write about Sex???.

    Chillul Hasehm
    Chillul Hasehm
    15 years ago

    It’s a chillul hashem for a Torah newspaper to write about such issues!!!. Plenty of little children read this paper, and it’s not a proper format for them to hear about theses issues. If you want to educate your children by all means go ahead, but the newspaper should not be the place for it.

    Isn't
    Isn't
    15 years ago

    Isn’t the reason we buy heimishe newspapers that they don’t write about schmutz that people commit???, so why is this any different???.

    Jack
    Jack
    15 years ago

    Yasher Koach on bringing out in the open this shame and to change the mentality of silence and hiding to the forefront of the masses.
    Unfortunately the stigma and shande will still be prevalent in the ghetto mentality we live in.
    Unfortunately the victims if their names are ever recorded will find getting a shidduch a near impossibility.
    Unfortunately many rabbonim and askanim are still able to apply extreme pressure to silence the victims of abuse.
    Unfortunately even if we win the hearts and minds of the masses the victims will still be alone in dealing with their immense pain and personal anguish.
    Unfortunately many are still so preoccupied with protecting the abuser that they perpetuate the abuse for many more years.
    Unfortunately the abused rarely ever gets a chance to lead a normal existence after suffering years of abuse, while the community often times dismisses his/her behavior or attitude as going off the derech.
    Unfortunately we shed tears about nonsense and we demonstrate our unwitting acceptance to the widespread disregard of the kedusha of a child.

    H’ Yerachem aleinu.

    za003
    za003
    15 years ago

    I cant believe it took this long for someone to speak up

    a kollelfaker
    a kollelfaker
    15 years ago

    it is nice that some one other then dr. twerski realizes there is a problem in our community. but the fact remains that our rabbis rosh yeshivas and leaders still dont get it. its the lack of respect the abuse not always sexual but emotional and physical that are killing our children
    i remember a time of tolerance and mutual respect in our community its not there anymore. i’ve seen people stare at someone that doesnt wear a hat yet he davens with more meaning and feeling then those arond him and yes doesnt talk
    The head of project yes said it best that if your child can not PLAY Yeshiva he will not be successful.
    though this is an improvement it needs to go a long way before we end our crisis
    children are walking away because thewy see the facking and phoneyness in our communitees. they are stupid just turned off

    Jack
    Jack
    15 years ago

    Yasher Koach on bringing out in the open this shame and to change the mentality of silence and hiding to the forefront of the masses.
    Unfortunately the stigma and shande will still be prevalent in the ghetto mentality we live in.
    Unfortunately the victims if their names are ever recorded will find getting a shidduch a near impossibility.
    Unfortunately many rabbonim and askanim are still able to apply extreme pressure to silence the victims of abuse.
    Unfortunately even if we win the hearts and minds of the masses the victims will still be alone in dealing with their immense pain and personal anguish.
    Unfortunately many are still so preoccupied with protecting the abuser that they perpetuate the abuse for many more years.
    Unfortunately the abused rarely ever gets a chance to lead a normal existence after suffering years of abuse, while the community often times dismisses his/her behavior or attitude as going off the derech.
    Unfortunately we shed tears about nonsense and we demonstrate our unwitting acceptance to the widespread disregard of the kedusha of a child.

    H’ Yerachem aleinu.

    Moshe
    Moshe
    15 years ago

    The other websites are ignoring this

    Shaul in Monsey
    Shaul in Monsey
    15 years ago

    Pinny, you’re a day late and a dollar short. How can you acknowledge that “silence permits the affliction to fester” when your paper has had its head in the sand while umpteen young victims were trampled on and destroyed and all the while you’re paper ignored this issue like Kolko was a dream, Mondrowitz was a fiction and Weingarten just a bubbe maiseh?

    I disagree completely with the ridiculous notion asserted by Lipschutz that we should neither be silent nor shrill. I reject that completely. We must be shrill. The abusers are not playing by the rules. Neither can we. This article is kalte litvak in a new package – same turn your head attitude with a different spin. We should be shrill. We should be aggressive. We should demand that any yeshiva that keeps a rebbe accused of abuse open its books and doors to outside investigation so that animals like Margo who used Torah Temima like a personal bank account and who let Kolko use the student body as his personal harem be exposed, driven out of business and as far out of the “machaneh” as possible.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “””YASHER KOACH R’ NUCHEM””””
    The earth quake happened when you started it all by discussing it in the open, all these articles finally coming out in the open, all these meetings, are all the aftershocks, THANKS TO YOU .

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    It’s really easy for him to be a hero and “speak up” after so many before him have made all the noise already. A REAL hero is one who will speak up BEFORE it becomes fashionable and take the heat, like Rabbis Twersky and Horowitz, not after. Because before Dov Hikind and others like him spoke up, he was just as silent as everyone else.

    moishe
    moishe
    15 years ago

    to #23 , R Lipshutz didn’t say he knew why G-d does these things, he just said they r a gezeirah why are u so quick to hate?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    This is the single most important to the yiddeshe community today and should take priority over ANY other issue of torah or halacha. The rabbonim should declare a day of fasting and special tfilos ot beg hashem for forgiveness and for the redemption of the victims.

    shakons
    shakons
    15 years ago

    “Historic”?? Thats pathetic- Says a lot about Chareidi-ism.

    When are people going to realize that being frum is not about externals and clothing, hats, bekeshes and shtreimels but its about how you perform mitzvos bechadar chadarim.

    CHADAR CHADARIM!!!

    Everyone has their demons- time to stop bashing other places and types of yeshivos and start looking inward.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The abuse problem will continue until the “leadership” states clearly that cases of abuse are to be reported to the civil authorities. Period.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    um, why is anything he’s saying a chiddush?? hikind has been saying this for the last seven months. where was he? i didnt see anything hikind and others were doing published in the yated…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “Above all, we deliver the message by living lives of Torah – a Toras Chesed and Toras Emes – by being kind and compassionate to all.”
    1)It seems that this Chesed is on a pick and choose basis i.e. Yated’s constsant bashing of certain groups.
    2) The Rosh Yeshivahs and Rabbonim have an interest in grandiosing themselves and their respective Mosdos for prestige, power and money. This resulted in the TT fiasco. So they need to get off their hgh horse.It is well known that at certain Yeshivahs there was serial abuse. Can you imagine a RY or Rav come out in public stating we have a problem. Gehenom will freeze over first!

    Chana
    Chana
    15 years ago

    Excellent article. What a kiddush Hashem. Thanks for posting. He begins to restore some of the honor that has been lost to our Rabbis in this article. .

    Hashem’s way is one of compassion and kindness, and of truth and justice. Hashem has extra compassion and respect for those who are downtrodden. He sees the amazing courage, refinement, sensitivity, and greatness of spirit that one has to have to survive it.

    And when we as a community turn a blind eye to the suffering of people, or treat those who come forward like second class citizens, and pretend it’s not happening, or is not really so bad, or makes them less of a respect worthy person, we cause untold pain, suffering and isolation.

    It is Rabbis like these who earn our respect, it is courage like this that is worthy of our respect.

    morah w
    morah w
    15 years ago

    to say that [some] were naive and weren’t trying to hide the molestation is simply a lie.i begged the rav of our small community to involve the police instead of sending away a ”frum” pedophile.the rav had the evidence[i did’t] but he refused.HE DIDN’T WANT THE SCANDAL.This pedophile is now in prison for other molestations perpetrated later!

    Voice In The Wilderness Says...
    Voice In The Wilderness Says...
    15 years ago

    As the veil seems to have been lifted a bit concerning s**ual abuse, I would hope that another heretofore unrecognized abuse will also begin to be dealt with in our community: EXTREME EMOTIONAL ABUSE. I am not referring to the “garden” type of power play, but rather of children who suffer from Parents and/or others with psychological issues, such as extreme narcissism or selfishness, that run their homes, etc. like boot camps where their every whim MUST be honored, regardless of the impossibility of fulfilling their wishes.

    I would hope that our community finds ways of recognizing the danger signals which help identify such children and that they are offered a Torah-True blueprint of how to act and react to such Parents. This would include a clear elucidation of the Halachos of Kibud Av Ve’em, knowing when and where and how to deal correctly with parents that habitually make impossible requests. This would also require a Torah-true Hashkafa to help weigh what should and should not be considered unreasonable…

    At the very least, I would hope that the Manhigim recognize this issue, and seriously listen to teenagers that cry out for help (unlike some cases of which I have first hand knowledge).

    Anybody care to comment?

    YidfromFlatbush
    YidfromFlatbush
    15 years ago

    A most highly overrated newspaper.

    I would like to see a newspaper called a “Torah Weekly” that has interesting and fascinating divrei torah and stories spanning the chassidishe and litivishe velt. THere is so much out there that can be published, if done correctly. I am tired of reading dozens and dozens of silly advertisements each and every shabbos in this so-called chareidi newspaper. High time a real Torahdike newspaper came out.

    Friend
    Friend
    15 years ago

    Why is it that the best (only) Daas Torah Dov Hikind was able to put up at his rally was R’ Gershon Tannenbaum (Iggud Rabbonim), but when it came to the Sugar and Spice kol koreh he was able to get leading Rabbonim, including the Noviminsker Rebbie Rosh Agudas Yisroel and Torah Umesorah.

    Voice In The Wilderness Says...
    Voice In The Wilderness Says...
    15 years ago

    As the veil seems to have been lifted a bit concerning s**ual abuse, I would hope that another heretofore unrecognized abuse will also begin to be dealt with in our community: EXTREME EMOTIONAL ABUSE. I am not referring to the “garden” type of power play, but rather of children who suffer from Parents and/or others with psychological issues, such as extreme narcissism or selfishness, that run their homes, etc. like boot camps where their every whim MUST be honored, regardless of the impossibility of fulfilling their wishes.

    I would hope that our community finds ways of recognizing the danger signals which help identify such children and that they are offered a Torah-True blueprint of how to act and react to such Parents. This would include a clear elucidation of the Halachos of Kibud Av Ve’em, knowing when and where and how to deal correctly with parents that habitually make impossible requests. This would also require a Torah-true Hashkafa to help weigh what should and should not be considered unreasonable…

    At the very least, I would hope that the Manhigim recognize this issue, and seriously listen to teenagers that cry out for help (unlike some cases of which I have first hand knowledge).

    Anybody care to comment?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Rabbi Lipschutz,Thank You so much that you finally got the approval from the Gedolim to come out about abusing the children of the past 20 some odd years. I honestly do not know your age, but one thing i can say, where were the Gedolim 50YEARS AGO ? NOBODY DID OR SPOKE A WORD! YES I CAN SAY ON MY SELF THAT WHEN I WAS AROUND 10 YEARS OLD, I STOOD UP TO MY PRINCIPAL, & SMACKED IN THE FACE JUST FOR TOUCHING ME & I TOLD HIM, DON’T YOU EVER TRY THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE I WILL TELL THE CHIEF RABBI OF THIS SCHOOL & HE WILL KICK YOU OUT. He said to me lets talk about it, & i stated no. I went home in the middle of the day & my mother asked me why i am home & crying , i stated i do not want to be in a Chasidsha school anymore . I have had it. My mother A”H asked me what happened , i stated when Tatty Z”L will come home i will talk . When my mother heard that , she immiedatelycalled my Father A”H & the next thing i knew was that my father was home in less then1/2 hour . He asked me whats going on, I told my Father & other A”H (may they rest in peace) & my father got very frustrated & he did go into the Chief of the school & stated that this Asst.Principal has to leave .I cannot go into all details for certain reasons , but one thing I will tell you Rabbi Lipschutz, If you fight for something you will find it & get things done, but if you leave it & go away from the problem it will not be solved. One thing i have a ccomplished, This so to speak asst. Principal eventally got out from that Yeshiva about 18 years ago, but when he sees me in the street driving or walking he goes to the other side of the street . It just shows that you have to fight this matter. But one thing let me tell you Rabbi Lipshutz , this is a sickness that it was a problem all the way back hundreds or maybe even a thousand years ago & there’s always something thats missing & cannot be helped. B”H i helped myself by fighting in my life & i wll fight for others

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    bekitzur azla gavra demistefeena meeneh.