Brooklyn, NY – CEO Of Ohel: Compromise On Markey Bill Should Offer 1 Year Amnesty Plan For Perpetrators

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     David Mandel, CEO of OHELBrooklyn, NY – There is legislation pending to extend the statute of limitations on reporting and prosecuting child molesters. There is general agreement this change in the law would be good. Victims of child molestation even older adolescents are often not ready to disclose or confront their offenders until years later.

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    A second piece of legislation to open “a window” of one year permitting victims, even those molested decades ago, to file civil lawsuits against molesters has drawn strong support and equal strong opposition.

    As is often the case with legislation drafted in local, state or Federal government victim advocates will favor while institutional systems may oppose.

    Victim advocates are favoring the Markey Bill, which includes this window. The Catholic Church and some groups representing yeshiva institutions favor the Lopez Bill, which extends the Statute but has no window.

    It is noted that Assemblyman Dov Hikind supports both bills. How could that be as they are different? He explains he would like to work on a compromise position.

    Several victims who have spoken publicly of their ordeals along with a victim advocacy group have been prominent in pushing for the passage of the window. This advocacy is important and well intentioned. But to express it in a way that if you’re not in support of the window you’re not supporting victims of sexual abuse is misguided as it undermines our communities’ ability to have an open honest discussion about child abuse.

    THE KEY POINTS

    ● OHEL see’s importance in both Lopez and Markey Bills and suggests a possible compromise.
    ● OHEL is not in agreement with some of the positions taken by certain organizations who oppose “the window” provision.
    ● While OHEL suggests a one year amnesty, we believe a one year window should be instituted thereafter.
    ● OHEL suggests a one year amnesty from civil claims with required risk assessment, treatment and some form of probation and monitoring. Certainly no amnesty from any criminal proceedings.

    The passage of such a window provision in California is often cited as a case in point by both sides, those in favor and opposed. In that instance several years ago the legislation led to the disclosure and reporting of several hundred pedophiles in California. This was important and no doubt led to untold hundreds (and thousands) of potential victims not being molested. It also led to hundreds of lawsuits most notably against the Catholic Church which eventually cost them hundreds of millions in settlements.

    It is this issue of potential of lawsuits that is pitting institutions against victim advocates. On all other issues there is general agreement.

    In a now infamous phrase former President George Bush said to the world concerning Al Qaeda that “you’re either with us or against us”. He came to appreciate it was more complicated than drawing a line in the sand. People can at times be supporting of a position but when asked to give their “all or nothing” many defer. It is not a good way to negotiate.

    For this reason Assemblyman Dov Hikind is correct in stating he is seeking a compromise.

    The following suggestions are offered that may be incorporated and serve the best interests of all.

    1. Victims of child molestation have consistently stated they want the perpetrator to be accountable, to take responsibility and acknowledge his actions.
    Victims wanted the world to know it was the perpetrators fault not theirs.

    Victims have expressed this as an important aspect of enabling them to move on with their lives. They generally don’t speak of revenge but of goodness and responsibility.

    Open a one-year window for perpetrators to disclose their acts that were committed and that exceed the criminal statute of limitations. Provide them amnesty from future civil suits. This is similar to amnesty offered with illegal guns and delinquent taxes.

    The gain here is to identify as yet unknown perpetrators and place them under watchful eye with required risk assessment, treatment, some form of probation and monitoring.

    The penalty for those perpetrators who do not come forward may be subject to (potential) future civil claims, stated another way, a window.

    2.Institutions (Church, Day schools, yeshivas) are understandably concerned they will be inundated with lawsuits. The Catholic Church’s exposure in California and Boston forced them to sell property and likely close some schools.

    Schools may be sued for acts committed by their staff that they may have been completely unaware of. That of course is not a consolation to the victim who may understandably seek recourse. Nevertheless the schools financial liability may be great.

    A school losing even one lawsuit requiring them to pay any sum in the millions that exceeds their liability insurance may bankrupt them. How can a school protect itself in an insurance claim from 25 years ago or more when insurance coverage may have been wholly different? How does that serve the best interests of their student body, parents and community? In the end who wins and loses?

    How then to mitigate these lawsuits to be reasonable?
    A. Cap the lawsuits, for example, not to exceed a $500,000 payout
    B. Cap the percentage contingency by attorneys to 10pct.

    There is a tendency by attorneys to throw out a huge number in a lawsuit in the tens or hundreds of millions. This is what is creating a backlash against the window provision. This may be part of an overall strategy at Tort reform.

    3. Insurance companies have generally stayed on the sidelines by not wanting to be involved in any aspect. They need to be brought in even as unwilling partners.

    A. Many victims avoid treatment fearing they will get a diagnosis on their insurance that will “label” them and further their stigmatization.

    This is true of Offenders as well, hence they avoid seeking treatment.

    B. Insurance companies have in the main refused to provide coverage for treatment of sexual abuse. This is similar to the Insurance industry a decade ago choosing to significantly raise liability premiums for physicians thus effectively reducing the number of OB/GYN, Anesthesiologists and other specialties.

    Victim advocates should lobby the Insurance industry to provide coverage thus broadening the entry of professionals into this complex field of work.

    C. The lack of Insurance coverage prevents many victims from obtaining good treatment.

    Aside from the forty million uninsured Americans, countless with insurance have only limited mental health coverage.

    Treatment for a small number of victims of sexual abuse often requires the services of clinical professionals with specialized training and may last one or several years.

    Evaluation and treatment of pedophiles also requires highly specialized work and generally lasts two-three years.

    Inadequate insurance coverage is a serious obstacle to adequately supervising child molesters who want help and thereby protect the public.

    Advocates for Infertility treatment successfully lobbied two years ago to require the Insurance industry to include payment for fertility treatment. These often cost $10,000- $20,000 per course of treatment. It is common for many couples to go thru multiple treatment cycles over several years.

    Victim advocates should place this in their sights. This is a critical issue.

    4. Through our work at OHEL with victims over many decades and in consultations with community groups throughout the country the issue of a victims fund arises.

    There does exist compensation funds in many local governments for crime victims. This should be expanded to include victims of sexual abuse. Such compensation would further encourage victims who come forward and offer concrete validation for their pain and suffering.

    Two victims now in their forties have repeatedly stated to me this is their primary interest. They as many others will not speak out because of their personal shame and privacy.

    A victim Fund needs to be established especially for those lacking insurance as well as others who cannot or do not want these diagnostic categories listed in their insurance history.

    With an air of compromise and deliberations it is possible some institutional groups would consider establishing such a fund and to initiate a process of reconciliation between victims and institutions.

    Our work at OHEL has brought us into contact with significant numbers of victim survivors of sexual abuse as well as perpetrators. This is one of the most complex areas of work in the field of mental health.

    In the last ten years, OHEL has conducted numerous seminars in communities throughout the country on prevention and response to sexual abuse. Invariably, at every such gathering at least one individual would privately disclose their experience as a victim some ten, twenty, even thirty years earlier or more. It is fair to say that sexual abuse ranks very high on the list of secrets and memories not forgotten.

    Many victims have said that by listening to tapes by prominent Rabbonim and community leaders speaking out on this issue and by attending such seminars they have been empowered.

    There are few issues in life that are black and white even though we would like them to be. Much more are shades of grey.

    These suggestions could move our system another step to protect our children, provide victims with renewed strength and support and put perpetrators on notice that with every passing day we will shut them down.


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    TruthinYiddish
    TruthinYiddish
    14 years ago

    For the sake of kedushas klal yisroel, it is time for OHEL to replace its CEO.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Who Cares what one individual has to say ? This is up to our Rabunim & Mechanchim not to a plain person

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Well stated. However, this is another proposal of a compromise, such as you state is sought by Assemblyman Dov Hikind. This approach is reasonable, and logic would guide anyone in a similar direction. But from what I have been reading and hearing, such an approach is doomed.

    There are way too many who are actively pursuing the vengeance against the perpetrators, and these people will settle for nothing beyond legislating the worst of shame, punishments, and other consequences on the molester and anyone who has connection to him. It is as if the employer, who could well have participated in the coverup, or failed to assist in the prosecution, bears full responsibility, to the tune of however many millions a lawyer fantasizes would settle the matter. The collateral damage of whatever occurs is completely ignored.

    In contrast, there are those opposed to allowing the secular courts to have any connection with this matter. The message is that it needs to be contained within the community and batei din, never having police reports, child welfare reports, or criminal prosecution. This position is equally irresponsible in that we have had all these resources for all the past many years, and these have proven their ineffectiveness over and over again. Our major organizations, with some noble intentions, are in nearly total opposition, only reluctantly agreeing to some involvement of the secular system.

    Can there be compromise? Are the two sides so far apart that they will never give an inch? That is how it appears. Good try, Mr. Mandel. Your angle is logical. But too many involved are not. They come from the position of strong emotion, one way or the other. Is there anybody out there listening? Or are we going to just use the comment field to launch passionate tirades for the two diametrically opposite positions?

    shmiel glassman
    shmiel glassman
    14 years ago

    some innovative improvements to the previous bill , but too slippery a slope /
    the forensic interview especially of minors is so complex & so easy to mess up (see journal of phychiatry oct-nov )there is little to gain many of these old offenders from 20-30 yrs ago – although the damage done is very severe & the victims are hurting . many are not “a signifigant risk ” at this point in their lives( even if the sick temptation does not leave totaly the key question is “signifigant “)
    i question the validity of putting someone on trail ,as a way of healing the victim? when the current risk is minimal ( after being properly assesed)
    ofcourse if it was my child i would think differently but that cant guide policy

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Dude, he needs some English lessons. Maybe with his big salary, he can afford a writing class or something…

    goldy rosenberg
    goldy rosenberg
    14 years ago

    I don’t like putting my neck out, but in light of what I just read I will. As there is FREE therapy at Mt. Sinai Hospital under the Savvy-Takkanot program for surivors of sexual abuse in the frum community specifically, why is Ohel pushing for us to raise money for therap? It is because they expect it to come to them those funds as they “counsel” the victims. Why are they asking for amnesty for perpetrators? Because one of the best kept secrets in our community is that Ohel has a program for perpetrators. They get paid to “monitor” the perpetrators (and haven’t been that successful as some of their clients went on abusing even as they were under “Ohel” monitoring). Even worse has been cases where kids who were molested were sent to Ohel and met their molester in the corridors there.

    Victim
    Victim
    14 years ago

    Sounds more resonable than the Markey bill, but still has a way to go.

    I dont see why the Molestor gets off the hook and the school needs to pay. I dont see why he gets off the hook at all. He ruined sombody’s life, he should suffer.

    On the other hand, I dont see why the statue of limitation exists in any crime and if there is a reason than it shoulde be no different with molestors, if they managed to hide their crime for long enough and behaved, than he not be held accountable. If Murderer’s can go free so should Molesters.

    I also believe that the standard the requird quality of proof to convict molestors should be raised. It’s necessary to distinguish between real victims and consensual relationships, while they may both be a crime there is a difference, indeed. It will also bring more support for any future bill as the schools will feel that a sincere claim, only, will be valid in court.

    Last but not least tort reform is very important so that money should not be an incenitve. Maybe any money being paid out should go into an escrow for the purpose of therepy as to avoid it being spend on other things and be a 100% gurantee to avoid fake claims.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Dear Mr. Mandel,

    Wasn’t there some sort of underling who could have edited this for spelling, grammar, syntax, and missing words?!

    Sincerely,

    Your concerned fifth-grade English teacher.

    read the article
    read the article
    14 years ago

    The statute of limitations is for lawsuits not for the prosecution of crimes.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    They couldn’t get someone to edit this for proper English?

    goldy rosenberg
    goldy rosenberg
    14 years ago

    with all due respect, Mr. glasman, the track record in our community is that the same perpetrators keep on doing the harm YEARS later. It is not as if a perpetrator “ages out” of abusing folks. Some of the better known cases, including Mondrowitz, indicate that the perp is still at it even as he approaches senility.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The track record for legislative compromise over the past 233 years is at best the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These current salaried thieves in the best little brothel in Albany have no business looking for a compromise, unless they are looking to kill the whole idea. What a concept politicians acting on their own behalf and the behalf of well funded constituents.

    ben
    ben
    14 years ago

    all you “english teachers” out there are missing the forest for the trees…
    Because he is making valid points and you dont want to debate him on these points, you must bash the whole thing… BTW not always does VIN reprint segments of news or articles in full,due to space restraints etc…

    MARK MAYER
    MARK MAYER
    14 years ago

    DAVID, PERHAPS YOU KNOW BUT MANY OF THE OLD SEX MOLESTORS FROM MANY YEARS AGO ARE STILL MOLESTIN KID ON OUR STREETS.THIS PAST THURSDAY MOLESTORS FROM 20 YEARS AGO HAVE BEEN SEEN ON THE STREETS OF BORO PARK DRIVING WITH YOUNG INNOCENT YESHIVA BOYS IN THEIR CAR RACHMONA LETZLON
    YOU ARE NOT A LAWMAKER ,AND AGUDA ,TORA UMESORA ,OHEL HAD A CHANCE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH ASSEMBLYWOMAN MARKEY ,YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE HER;
    THE MARKEY BILL WILL PASS AS WRITTEN WITH THE HELP OF HASHEM.
    you are invited to debate me and professor marci hamilton chair of public policy at yeshiva university this motzei shabbon on the zev brenner show wmca 570 am at midniteAND YOU CAN BRING SOME OF YOUR GEDOLIM WHO ARE HIDING BEHIND DAVID ZWEBEL FACE AS WELL

    WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR STREETS AND MAKE OUR STREETS SAFE AGAIN

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    It is not only the victims that have been abused here. The entire community has been abused. Many have lost faith in our leaders who knew and mishandled either deliberately or out of ignorance. The “ancient” cases need to be brought to court if for nothing else but to clean house and cleanse the atmosphere of coverup,denial, and corruption. The tzibbur has a right to know who knew what and when. The buck does not stop at the doorstep of the molesters. It goes right to desks of those Rabbonim Roshei Yeshiva, and Mental Health, CEOs who knew or should have known and did nothing or who actively participated in cover up. The fact that this scandal has gone on for so many years is indicative of a deeper problem of communal dysfunction and lack of accountability of the people who claim the mantle of leadership. The problem will not be fixed until the truth comes out in its unvarnished, and brutal, entirety, There should be no compromises on this matter and the guilty parties on all levels should be exposed to the bright light of day.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    How does he have so little busha?

    shmiel glassman
    shmiel glassman
    14 years ago

    TO MRS. ROSENBERG # 13 -“TRACK RECORD” I DOUBT ANYONE HAS ANY RELIABLE STATS ON OUR COMMUNITY.
    the fact that some notorious pedophiles continued for many years even as they aged is not enough of a proof to support such a broad statement with enormous ramifications – my limited experience has me leaning toward “NOT THROWING EVERYBODY IN ONE BASKET” there are degrees of sickness (its all sick)
    however i will ask an expert in pedophilia & pharaphilic behaviors in columbia physch

    Medical professional
    Medical professional
    14 years ago

    The mandate of an organization like Ohel should be to help and advocate for patients, ie victims of sexual abuse, not help the perpetrators / predators, the great majority of which continue to molest until caught and taken away from potential victims or until they die.

    Many of these molesters simply are incorrigible / incurable. They simply must be kept away from victims.

    It’s time to focus on protecting our children and other victims.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Mr Mandel should be applauded for his continued effort and hard work. His tireless job saves lives everyday=those of the mentally and physically challenged. You can see that he is trying to work to do what is right.

    ohel needs a new vision and CEO
    ohel needs a new vision and CEO
    14 years ago

    mandel is nothing short of a disgrace the only reason that aguda torah umesorah and ohel are even discussing this is because of a few brave individuals who have stood up to the rabbanim

    i have a simple solution

    let all rabbanim from ohel and any ceo or executive found to have knowledge of molestation and did nothing to prevent it resign immedietly
    that should be reason enough to replace the board of rabvbis as there will not be one rabbi left that has clean hands

    so look at the next ohel fundraising letter and then turf it in the garbage till they get a new ceo and new rabbinical board that cares for our children

    Andrew
    Andrew
    14 years ago

    Teshuva?? Perhaps you mean just having changed one’s ways. As you cannot do teshuva until you have confessed your sins and asked forgiveness from the person you have injured.

    So having changed one’s ways is not complete teshuva.

    True that with such a person you don’t have the risk of his doing harm in the present tense. But that does NOT absolve him from being punished for the crime done years and years ago.

    If someone murdered, but only once, many years ago — we wouldn’t be satisfied in merely knowing that he is no longer a threat to society. He would still have to stand trial and face punishment for the one heinous crime committed a long time ago.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Mandel, the director of ohel has publically stated if yoususpect your child has been abused go to a rav.The video is on youtube.

    As reported in this article Mandle stated the following.
    “Our work at OHEL has brought us into contact with significant numbers of victim survivors of sexual abuse as well as perpetrators. This is one of the most complex areas of work in the field of mental health. “

    Mental healht professionals in New York state are required by law to report perpetrators.If a perpetrator goes to a therapist and tells the therapist they abuse children, the therapist must file a report.

    If a child who is abused come to Ohel for therapy or support, their case must be reported.

    To date Ohel has not reported one perpetrator to the authorities .
    THe director of Ohel on Long Island is a licensed social worker. who in private practice treats abusers.He by law is required to report every child who is abused and every abuser.

    Ohel should stay out fo law making and start following the law.

    goldy rosenberg
    goldy rosenberg
    14 years ago

    askupeh-
    While “sick in the head” is a good excuse, we Jews don’t have that clause in our justice system. There is no “reason of insanity” when it comes to murder. When the Torah forbids guys from raping guys, it says nothing of the sort that we are to “heal” the abuser. In fact, many of the perpetrators in our midst are clearly Chayav Karays.

    As for all those who are worrying about “forgiveness” that should be our hallmark, I have been asked to be a go-between in cases where folks didn’t want to forgive and rabbonim backed them up. Murdering someone and then asking forgiveness doesn’t help. Nor does raping someone and asking forgiveness. “oops I’m sorry” doesn’t cut it.

    I am very glad this topic is being discussed a zillion times over because it is time that we realized that “V’haya Machanech Kadosh” means we stop tolerating sleazeballs who violate every tenet of Kedusha.

    MD
    MD
    14 years ago

    Mental health providers, social workers, MDs, etc are all required by law to report any reasonable possibility of child abuse having occurred. If it is true, as suggested in #50 , that Ohel staff have not appropriately reported suspected abuse, that alone is a crime which should be investigated. The conspiracy of silence serves evil.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The man’s disdain for the rest of us oozes out of this press release.

    His entire tone is so demeaning that I don’t think I have heard someone lecture-down to people so badly since Shafran released his Let-Me-Tell-You-Who-Are-The-True-Good-Guys nonesense a few weeks ago.

    Wait, I take that back. There was Zweibel’s load of bovine feces after that.

    OK, I admit it. Stupidity and public displays of disrespect for the average person’s ability to see thru to the truth coming from AI and its cohorts are not that unusual after all.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Why is there anyone out there making any discussion about teshuvah with regards to this topic? There is no posek or beis din that has any right to consider teshuvah as a variable in paskening about such matters. Teshuvah is relevant to dinei shomayim only. As far as asking mechilah from a victim, that, too, is quite a complex issue. If this mechilah is based on the inability of the perpetrator to live with his guilt or with the negative consequences of his actions, then it is just another perpetration of abuse. The victim is again being asked to serve the needs of the abuser. A million times NO!

    If a victim is ready to receive a bakoshas mechilah, and the abuser has undergone enough therapy to be able to “unselfishly” ask for it, then it can be done with appropriate guidance. However, as it usually occurs, this level of maturity is rarely achieved. So the discussion about teshuvah is moot. Focus on the issues that are more relevant.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The problem with this debate is it’s driven by revenge not by what’s right and how do we protect the inocent and by the way the only adiction that can be totely 100% cured is sexual adiction ask any expert as well let’s recall how it workt not all cases are victims and molestor there are cases where 2 young boucherim might have foold around in yeshiva or somthing and they grew up build lives and yes got help and truly changed and than 30 years later one claims abuse by other is it right to destroy evrything that he build his fameliy I’m not sure yes he should take responsebilety and make amends but should we destroy him i’m not sure what he can do but I think we must give ppl a chance some how to come forward and yes get closure and not destroy there lives in the process other wise why should anyone make amends I don’t get yes we need a discreet way couse some times both are victims who need help and closure so let’s think it thru with out anger and give decrention a chance and if that don’t work than I agree burn the guy and this only if we can somehow be sure the person has truly changed and not had any issues since than and by the way I know cases where this has workt I would love hear any ideas that might have a way of dealing with this couse yes it’s a complicated issue thanks

    Sherree
    Sherree
    14 years ago

    I was very disheartened last night listening to Dovid Zweibel on Zev Brenner’s show as he kept saying that the Motzos Gedolos along with the Rabbonim from the Torah Umesorah, who by the way when Zev Brenner asked how many are there, was there a vote taken, turned out to be just 20 people, decided on this response; said that they had been discussing this very sad and horrific issue for years now.

    Are you all realizing what I am saying, are you all hearing what I heard? They are talking about this for years now and did nothing so far except for talk? They removed no one from the immediate vicinity of children? They could have advised Shua’s (a”h) mother to go straight to the police with her information so no else gets hurt, go straight to the abuser’s parents with the information and they told her to do nothing and Shua is dead and his abuser is a free man today. As a matter of fact the soul’s of all victims are dead and all the abusers are free men today and “THEY” have been discussing it for years now?

    I am sorry Dovid, I know you went on the show to make the Motzes sound good and to protect their reputation. You did not do a good job, I could have done a better job because I know that they are basically good men at heart. But as an attorney you are not representing their interests appropriately. They should have and still can retire these pedophiles and they should not waste one more minute. You know who they are and they do as well. If you don’t or wish to pretend that you don’t then you should do what Dov Hikind did and invite victims to come to the offices of the Agudah and tell their stories. Assure them that their identities will remain confidential and that all you wish to do is to remove their abusers from the Yeshivas they work in and make sure they never work in another Yeshiva, camp or other religious institution again!.

    If the victims don’t trust you, I am sure we can get hundreds of pro-bono attorneys to accompany them to protect their interests.