Liberty, NY – A murderer who was executed in Florida Tuesday evening for the 1984 murder of a 26-year-old wildlife officer was to be buried in Liberty Wednesday night.
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Martin Grossman, 45, was convicted of first-degree murder for killing Margaret Park when she found him with a stolen gun in a nature preserve.
The funeral for Grossman is being held in Monsey Wednesday evening at Niklesburg Bais Medrash . He was later scheduled to be buried at Shel Emes Cemetery in Liberty.
Rabbi Isaac Lieder of Monsey organized the funeral and burial.
A number of people and organizations had rallied in support of Grossman. An archbishop had written to Florida Governor Charlie Christ, saying he had repented and was a “changed person.”
A number of Orthodox Jewish groups also asked the governor for clemency.
ת. נ. צ. ב. ה.
I also sent emails and signed the petition. But when I hear the car going around Monsey announcing “zecher tzaddik v’kudosh livrucha” I feel like a fool. I doubt they are doing any good for the neshuma by saying that…
Has anyone arranged Kaddish to be said?
Thanks rabbi leider always there to help whatever the story might b what a hero isaac. !!!!!!!
There will be a kangaroo show and several hundreds of frum people will show up to his funeral as if they’re burying one of their tzadiks.
once again stop the fighting!! nobody is denying the fact that at the age of nineteen while he was high, he murdered someone. were saying HE understood his actions were wrong and from everything we heard from his rabbis, he did tremendous and sincere teshuvah for his actions. there’s no reason that were burring him, instead of him being alive in prison being able to learn with his rabbis say shemah ex..
When all is said and done, Grossman must have had some sort of zechus to have so many people be mispallel on his behalf.
Thumbs up to VIN for calling a dead person a murderer…. -k-
Sometimes I think that we as a people need mass therapy. We find innocence in a vicious murderer (Grossman) find innocence and assign glory to a hired spy who got paid to spy for South Africa & Israel (Pollard). We are motivated to expend time, money, and efforts that as a community can be directed elsewhere, all because suddenly these people allegedly find faith in prison ( as most convicts do) .
Yet conversely, we find absolute guilt, pray for the death of and condemn an inexperienced confused young man to a life of shame because he found himself in an impossible position, he was between the proverbial rock and a hard place and perhaps made the wrong decision to comply with authorities and expose corruption within political and other circles. This man did not become a fair weather frummie. He actually grew up doing the right thing. He did extraordinary amounts of chessed, he helped an enormous amount of people and because of a mistake no greater than Pollard’s or Grossman’s his family was ostracized and he was left to dry by the community. Maybe next time he should of made his money being an assassin or a spy and then professed a sudden love of yiddishkeit.
even the bigest murder could do teshive and that’s excactly what martin did he could be called tzadik
It says that when a person does true teshuva, their soul is extinguished, so that it wont stumble to sin again. When you daven that the apikorsim should be exterpated immediately in shmone esreh, we should have the kvano that they should do tshuva. A true baal tshuva dies at the moment of tshuva. And they are higher than the tzadikim who never sinned, as everyone knows.
It must be that Grossman was a true baal tshuva, that he died with ahavas yisroel and the shma on his lips in a fervent tshuva, that his neshuma immediately returned to heaven. No matter how dirty a persons life is, Hashem will welcome him and personally clean the filth (Sefer Tomer Dvorah).
באבוד רשעים רינה
Just came back from the levayeh. The Nikolsburger Rebbe as allways, brought out the right point at the right time. Mainly, the achdus that we saw of all sectors of klal yisroel togethor trying to do good.
He knew exactly what to say, and more importantly, what NOT to say.
Thanks Issac Lieder.
Why not buried at the Lubavitcher cemetery in Queens, near the Rebbe? After all, his main Jewish contact for years was via the Lubavitcher run Aleph institute.
isaac, keep up the good work. regardless of mr grossman’s past misdeeds, he acknowledged his guilt, expressed remorse, asked for forgiveness, and resolved to be a better person. he had an impeccable prison record,notwithstanding the fact that his last 25 yrs were in death row, an evironment surrounded by some of the worst sinners. also noteworthy, that if victim wasnt a cop, martin grossman would’ve been walking the streets after a 5 yr jail term.
he did teshuva. r’ nachman says: if you belive you can damage, then believe you can repair. he died courageously w/ shem yisroel on his lips. no bitterness. pure emunah. based on the reports i’ve been reading (i obviously have no 1st hand knowledge) he was a true eved hashem, considering his cirumstances.
Hakol holech achar hasof.
Beautiful. I guess all of this murderers chasidim can daven at this kever. His apologists are completely demented.
Why could you write “murder” you are a Jew and you don’t have any evidence that he killed it was only his friend who was with him that time and its very possible that he was the murder and blamed him..
Every time I’ve convinced myself that these ehrlech yidden in Monsey cannot find some new way of showing their lack of midos and respect fo Klal yisroel they come up with somthing like this. He should have been buried quietly without making this into a three-ring circus but why behave in a rational and respectful way when you can make all yidden look like they care more about the murderer than his victim.
Grossman may or may not qualify as a “tzadik,” he may or may not have become a changed man while in prison, and you may or may not sympathize with him, and you may or may not have supported his execution.
But he was a Jew, and as such, is entitled to a proper and kosher levaya and burial.
My thanks to Rabbi Lieder for making the arrangements. Regardless of whatever right and wrong Grossman did during his lifetime, what Rabbi Lieder did for him was the right thing.
Does anyone know his fathers name for mishnayos ?? Please post.
Is it really wise to advertise the location of his burial?
A great thanks to Rabbi Isaac Leider! You are something special! Thanks for allways putting in tremendous kochos hanefesh!!!
Apparently, even though martin grossman spent 25 in a tiny cell expressed remorse for his crimes and was executed for it, it is not enough for some they still scream in hate at him, yet these same misguided people don’t protest or care that lemrick nelson who stabbed a chosid basically walked free after a few years in jail. It shows one thing, there is a double standard even omongst our own, the message is, Jewish blood is cheap.
Does anyone know what shaychis the nifter (nehrag) has with Nikelsburg?
Martin, many people have asked me why am i sad or feel bad. They do not know the Martin I know. You showed me how to fish, we rode our bikes together, you watched out for me, helped my dad when needed. May you rest in piece!
Misah is mechaper, and after teshuva, he is not a ball aviera,
כל האומר מיכאל יצחק חטא אינו אלא טועה
I wish they were having the services here in Florida, I really wanted to attend the funeral regardless of what he did I wanted to be able to pay my respects to his family, feel lost and confused.
Reply to 37 & 34: no matter how you try to interpret the ridiculous outpour, nonetheless it seems obvious to me that 1. It was not done with guidance but rather unilaterally by arguably well meaning individuals and 2. The hypocrisy is laughable. You missed my point. If someone from the community affected your pocket etc. Then no punishment is good enough. Dwek is akin to Voldemort in some misguided peoples minds. Yet we not only forgive, but we mobilize and use our meager resources to defent the murderers and sorry, traitors when we allow our feelings to control. I wonder if people felt that saving grossman was their ez pass to gan eden, because the zeal to help was suspiciously hysteric.
After Mr. Grossman plea for the officer not to report him, he lost control of himself. I don’t think he wanted to kill her.
so silly to fight and argue over this issue..!!! who are we to judge with our human minds on what level the niftar presently presides!! shame on you all for making these heartless, calculating judgements, rather go and say a mishnah or do some good deed l’toivasoi!!!
May he be a “Mailiz Yosher” for all of us!
as we go on in life we are supposed to grow and learn from our experiences. if everyone would just step back and attempt to recall an instance where they erred and wished they could turn the clock back by seconds –
after doing this then please allow yourelf a moment to reflect and then (if you must) pass judgement.
I am certain it will be differnt from your initial response or reaction.
With Ahavas Yisroel
Martin’s famous last words.
I know when I erred. When I went on these frum websites and saw the level of sickness of this community. People calling a cop-killer a tzaddik and a kadosh and a melitz yosher. And you are right #57- I do wish I could turn back the clock and never see how this primitive tribal mindset has turned frum people into freaks.
Who is this “Rabbi Grossman” Z”L all are so busy with.
Kadish is sais for 11 months & 12 months for a rasha
stopt crying he deserve more he deserve that you should all take off from what ynu are all doing an d go down to florida and stop his killing its enough america stood by while the nazi killed 6 million
Its very simple an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth a foot for foot and death for a killer, what is the reason that I get exactly the same punishment , to be mechaper on the sin one has done,in this particular case we have a killing ,and so we take away his life too, to be mechaper so if they took his life then he is a forgiven man by hashems standards and becomes clean and holy as if he was before the murder. So if hashem says he is moichel him,who are we to say differently, is you dear readers life so kosher that you never made a shmai drai, and when you did , didn’t you feel better after some type of tzara befell you, putting your Concience to rest that you had you’re kapara and hashem was moichel you, what is this case different then another one , is it because he got a bigger yetzer hora then you , there is a story of a yid that was oiver on all sins , once he had a hirhur tshuva ,and he started crying and asking hashem to forgive him he cried so much that hashem took pity on him and took his tshuva and forgave him’but hashem didn’t want him to sun anymore cause here he was a tzaddik already ,so he sent the angel of death to take him back. A little humor now that alls forgiven its chodosh adar let’s do tshuva with happiness
what a shame for the victim’s family and memory to see that thousands of jews are holding a funeral like this in the memory of a killer, even if he “repetented” he still stole a woman’s life and he should be buried like an animal he doesn’t deserve a kaddish
It sounds to me like a bunch of people have become deranged to make him into a martyr to call him a tzadik, it sounds like when the hamas terrorists kill Israelis they give him a martyrs funeral in Gaza.
I have stood by quietly and watched and read for the last couple of days how yidden of every stripe and color comment on this tragic event. I am extremely saddened that many of you dont have it in your heart to feel for a fellow yid!! Halalcha dictates that if a jews life is in danger you are obligated to try everything to help save him. Even if the jew is a murderer. Even if halacha supports execution or stoning it needs to be with 2 witnesses in a proper beis din. And even more so it definitely doesnt support it in a case of a non-jew. Each of you where obligated by the torah to expend every effort to try to save this jew. Yes there may have been a chillul hashem by the few somebodys who tried to contact the victims family but that was not at the directives of Aleph Institute or anybody else directly involved. This is entirely wrong and I feel very strongly with the victims family fully understanding why they wanted to see this through. But fact remains that death row is reserved for pre-meditated murders and although this was a gruesome crime it certianly was pre-meditated. So the death penalty was not warranted or even legal. Lets pull together so moshiach can come!!
Thank you VIN for posting the pixs of the funeral of Martin Grossman, z’l. I am very impressed by the many yidden, especially the chassidim, who escorted him to his resting place. I was even more impressed by the caring and ahavas yisroel they showed towards Mr. Grossman’s relative. May she be comforted among the mourners of Zion and Yerushalayim.
to comment#19, you sound like a misnagid, learn some mussar and you might revise your comment.
I attended the levaya and there was an outpouring of thousands, not hundreds, of men, women, bochrim, etc; from all walks of life. Had he died obscurely in prison or elsewhere, no one would have even known there ever existed a Martin Grossman. I do admit that the car announcing the upcoming levaya made it appear as tho an great gadol was being put to rest, but nonetheless, he must have had a tremendous zchus avos or zchus atzmo, perhaps with a Nikolsburg connection, for him to deserve such a send-off. Yes, he suffered greatly for years, but putting what he did aside, just remember no good deed goes unrewarded and may that be a lesson for us all.
In regards to #46 wanting to pay respects to his family, first of all, I haven’t heard of any family and second you can always send a note. It does not appear as tho anyone is sitting shiva for him.
This is INSANE!! Prior to 2 weeks ago, how many people knew his name? At that time, if someone said there was a man who killed an officer 25 years ago and was sentenced to death and now wants clemency because he found religion, ALL of you would have said no, let him die! But since he is Jewish then we should say yes. A Tzadik?? I dont think so. This is how they treat a murderer, but they disparage MO rabbonim all the time.
His execution should be a kapparah b/c no soul (Jewish or not) should suffer, but to call him a tzadik, and have a huge funeral is ridiculous.
I expect to see all of you protesting when the 9/11 masterminds are put to death b/c they too have found religion
Got to wonder what the inscription on his matzeiva will read!!!!!!!
WHo was maspid this guy?
If someone (could be YOUR son or daughter) causes a car accident where there are casualties, and the driver is also r”l killed, does he not deserve a levaya and proper burial? He was an achzor. His reckless driving led to people being killed.
Compare it to the Grossman incident. What he did caused a lot of heartache to the Post family. He was in your view an achzor. Why does he not deserve the same levaye and burial as the car driver?
And to all of you who are ashamed to be jewish, I wonder if your kids will even want to remain jewish. Here comes the next generation of jew haters, sadly they are from inzer machne.
There is a jail in Israel that has a bal teshuva program. Inmates that are intrested can biuld there connection with the ribono shel olam. This program has a 80% success rate in no repeat crime.
It may be true that the only reason he did teshuva is because he was in prison, but who cares teshuva is teshuva some people do teshuva because they loose there money, some because they loose a family member RL and some because they’re in prison and realize that they have no one to turn to but the ribono shel olam.
May his teshuva be accepted, may he rest in peace and be a melits yosher for klal yisrael.
Don’t forget Hashem gives everyone they need in order to bring them closer to him. He gave Martin Grossman this.
Al pi din a) a Noachide (secular) court does not have jurisdiction over a yehudi, b) a Noachide (secular) court does not have authority to impose misa on a yehudi, c) without 2 witnesses who provided warning beforehand there is no death penalty d) And in any event there no death penalty by any human court – even Beis Din – when a yehudi kills a nochri (see Meshech Chochmah where it says it is only applicable Bidei Shamayim.)
And therefore, as a result of the above, every yehudi has a legal obligation of pikuach nefesh in saving this yehudi.
See Chazon Ish Bava Kama 10:15, Meiri, Bava Metzia 83b and can be implied from Rambam, Hilchos Rotzeach 2:4 and Tosafos, Sanhedren 20b; R. Moshe Sofer, Chasam Sofer Likkutim responsa no. 14.
I hope many of you cry babies will name your children after this righteous “tzaddik”. Maybe you can have a special commemoration every year on his behalf. And maybe the real morons can say he died because he was a Jew and you can visit his grave every year and treat him as you would any other great Rebbi.Your tears are so heartfelt but so misdirected because it is the biggest chilul Hashem to date.