New York – IN PHOTOS: Tens Of Thousands Demonstrate Against Israeli Charedi Draft

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    ultraorthodox Jewish rally in Foley Square and march around Chinatown  Manhattan NY, against the secularization and army service conscription for Haredi Jews in Israel. photo by Stefano GiovanniniNew York – In a rare display of unity, both warring factions of the Satmar Hasidic movement have assembled this afternoon in Manhattan’s Foley Square staging a joint rally protesting efforts by the Israeli government to draft ultra-Orthodox Israeli men into the IDF.

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    TexasJew
    TexasJew
    10 years ago

    Can’t wait to see all the anti Zionist comments that will be forthcoming.

    10 years ago

    most of them in Israek are not in yeshivas learning they get married and run a bussiness. u live in Israel and you have to give back to the countryn you live,
    eirger its in the army or paying taxes you cant have it both ways,

    10 years ago

    A real kidush Shem shumayim.

    tehillim_119_72
    tehillim_119_72
    10 years ago

    this protest is one of the biggest chillul hashem’s ever.
    1. this will accomplish nothing.
    2. Williamsburg voted for the people that voted for toevah “marriage”. (they could have possibly stopped it if both Satmars would have been united)
    3. toevah “marriage” is worse than every single Jew in Isreal being drafted.
    4. chazal bash kalal Yisroail for going after binymin but ignoring pesel micha.
    5. If these 2 brothers can make shalom for something that is assur how come they couldn’t for a mitvah gamur like putting in a yorai shamoyiem instead of the chazeriem squadron, Dilan, and Lentol
    6. Anyone who goes to this protest is over on the issur of givul since the rabbaniem of EY are against it.
    7. If Zali would have not told Jews not to vote in EY this never would have been a problem. (Bennet would have not allied with Lapid if the Charadiem got 1 more vote)

    lakewooder
    lakewooder
    10 years ago

    Not just Satmar. Many Litvisher and other chassidim.
    מי לה’ אלי
    מלחמה לה’ בעמלק מדור דור

    Boochie
    Boochie
    10 years ago

    so let me understand this – they are protesting forcing people into the army because of pretzuz – yet they go to Manhattan which is full of pretzuz willingly

    just look at some of the pictures

    10 years ago

    The look in their eyes shows that there is not a good mood in their ideals.

    thegreatone
    thegreatone
    10 years ago

    The two people pictured speaking to the media one of them who is the editor of Der Blatt the newspaper representing the Aroni faction was on the Zev Brenner show yesterday.Although he came along extremely foolish with his splashy and bombastic statements with a very poor broken english, i do agree with the protest.

    Its hard just to out and protest against the existence of the so called Jewish state.So when there is an opportunity like this when the Israeli government is trying to force orthodox Jews to enlist in the IDF we must go out and protest and in the same time let the non-Jewish world that tens of thousands of orthodox Jews are against the existence of a Jewish state before the coming of Moshiach. We were sent to exile by hashem and only he can take us out from exile. According to the torah Jews are not allowed to take up in arms and rebel creating a state of their own.

    bubii
    bubii
    10 years ago

    They dont miss any opportunity to make tottal fools of themselfs theese satmerers,their protest is meaningless an exercise in futility and they are the laughting stock of sane people.

    downtoearth
    downtoearth
    10 years ago

    what’s with the pictures taken with the girls??

    thegreatone
    thegreatone
    10 years ago

    Blessed is the great USA where we have freedom of religion.Besides the few bumps ups and downs we still have it here far better than in Israel.

    It is a great Kiddish Hashem that thousands of Jews are still loyal to hashem.
    Thousands of Jews still except the Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu becuase of our sins we were sent into exile. We are not in exile becuase we lost a war but becuase we sinned. And that’s what we came out telling the world that we except hashames will and when time will come he will send us Moshiach.

    Our brothers in Israel,we Jews worldwide are with you we will stand behind you we will do whatever it takes letting the world know that the so called Jewish state is oppressing religious Jews.

    10 years ago

    What a CHILUL HASHEM to see these HYPOCRITES chatting with IMMODESTLY CLOTHED females feh!

    10 years ago

    You DON’T put your arms around a cop! Es post nisht! These people simply do not know how to interact normally with the outside world. This ridiculous gathering will not prevent Eretz Yisrael from drafting them and putting them into public service, kicking or screaming not with standing.

    jayclass
    jayclass
    10 years ago

    Sorry VIN but this protest includes most chasidic and litvish fractions not just satmar as you state in your headline. skvere vishnitz belz poopa bobov are also in it including many people of lakewood and other litvish yeshivish kehilos. Have you seen the letters from many prominent rabonim including Harav Chaim Kaniavski to join this protest?

    SandmanNY
    SandmanNY
    10 years ago

    Gornisht mit gornisht. Bitul zman, bitul Torah, bitul chochmah, bitul chayim.

    somejew
    somejew
    10 years ago

    What a hillul hashem. Long live zionism!

    10 years ago

    The motto of Satmers is DON”t CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS. Like the PLO terrorists who indoctrinate their children to mindlessly hate, they purposely do not teach children Jewish history or anything else much in school so they won’t be able to think independently, but act like a mob of indocrinated followers. They never learned in school the the Zionist Kaster train saved the life of the Satmar Rebbe. They will never learn that before there was a Medinas Yisrael, Jews lived in terrible poverty, literally starving, with no income except tzedaka, no medical care, fear of moving out of the Old City because of Arab attacks. Now, they live in nice homes, ride Egged buses. They go to modern medical clinics. The army protects them and dies for them They visit the mekomos kedoshim without being afraid of being shot by Arabs. They shop in fancy supermarkets. BUT they will NEVER SAY THANK YOU. They never had it so good in the past 2,000 years, but they only want to destroy those who are protecting them. SHAME ON YOU!!! Do you think you deserve Mashiach?

    MAYERFREUND
    MAYERFREUND
    10 years ago

    It depends who you are if are a ben torah like a Jew has to be then it is a kidush hashem but if you a anti ben torah like a gentile or a jew that hates a ben torah then it is a chilul hashem.

    10 years ago

    So enjoyable to read these comments about the protest. Such holy yiddin speaking such high vocabulary like chilel hashem and korech and what raabani yoel would or wouldn’t do. . . . . Everyone trying to be holier then the other, I came to the conclusion after reading 82 comments on this protest that all these pp are more ANTI SATMER then PRO ISREAL that’s the bottom line, any oppertunity to bash on satmer they grab with open arms like little kids to lollipops. Have fun ya’all. as long as u listen to daas toira any das toira then good for u. These protesters were listening to there own daas tora.

    Yoin9
    Yoin9
    10 years ago

    I don’t know but is there an opt out clause for this?60 odd years after the war Jews are fighting their brothers and sisters this is a kiddush Hashem?We are no better than our brother Arabs !what happened to diplomacy!there must be another way

    KVETCH
    KVETCH
    10 years ago

    where is the big hafgana on metzitza bepeh? this has nothing to do with the army , its good old fashon satmer anti zionist rally. Those 2 brothers couldn’t get together on a rally against internet but to curse fellow yidden no problem

    Ari48
    Ari48
    10 years ago

    Chilul Hashem big time ! There were even signs degrading Hagoan Harav Steinman ! The thousands that stayed home and were learning and davening were those that made a Kiddush Hashem !

    10 years ago

    I don’t understand why you say that this is a satmar demonstration. a lot of litvishe yeshivahs are attending. Reb Elye Ber Wachtfogel is one f the organizers of the event. I don’t ”think” that he’s satmar. Serving in the armyis x stmra issue. I don’t understand why the only thing that is spoken about,is that both parties of satmar will be there. who cares? that’s not the issue now.

    The guy who said the rabanim in E.Y are against it istotally wrong. there r rbanim who said that one shouldn’t attend the demonstration but also saidthat its a must to attend. Reb meir and Reb Dovid Soloveitick said that everyone must attend. I THINK that they are worthy of being called rabbanim. even though satmar has a lot of people it deosnt meant that they’re the only ones protesting. Going2 the army is not a JOKE. besides the point whoever thinks that protesting Zionism is a satmara thing go and see what reb ahron kotler and brisker rav said about the Zionists.

    sissel613
    sissel613
    10 years ago

    there is a special place in Oylam Habah for people like this. I am sure that the Abeshter doesn’t approve of this. I am not here to discuss whether or not chareidim should serve in the army, but this is putting all of klal Yisroel in danger with advertising it to the world. As my mother,a Holocaust survivor,zee zol leben biz 120 in gezint and nachas fin de mishpacha, says–How can Moshiach come if we do this to each other? They are hypocrites anyway–mir meg nisht reden tzu a froi, ober far dus meg min yuh tzu a froi vus geit a zoy ungeten? For Shame,for shame.

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    10 years ago

    much bigger crowd then last week’s pro Israeli march.

    Aryeh
    Aryeh
    10 years ago

    Where are all the Liberal hippie draft dodgers now?

    hmmmm
    hmmmm
    10 years ago

    This was a huge kidush hashem. With many sects of klal yisroel attending. I was most proud of how the english speaker spoke so eloquently explaining the reason of the protest. And the bottom line is : the mentioning of the idea that this is only the beginning if the fight against the Israeli govt with the rooshe lapid at its helm. We have spoken to the media with respect, we have voiced our concerns. Folks have asked questions and were answered with respect. The morning shows already were squawking at the protest , the zioneist agenda cannot swallow such organized mass protesting. The pr
    otests were done with utmost respect to police and the law. Mi keamcha yisroel. LAPID, bury your head in the sand. You will I”H hashem have a meeseh mapooleh.

    10 years ago

    So..Satmar in NYC who would never be drafted into the Israeli army anyway, are wasting a day to protest a law that doesn’t effect them. I wonder where they’d live if the US started a draft again.

    10 years ago

    They have the Chutzba to drag Rav Shteinman into this? Man is kulo Toiroh, and these two take a brake from suing each other over some real-estate to organize a protest?

    10 years ago

    Bunch of clowns having a fun day in the city instead of learning. Tens of Thousands of dollars wasted for making the signs, having buses, renting the chairs, instead of spending for better cause. I think their yideshkeit is fake when the biggest mitzva of Ahavas Isroel is ignored, and when their own leaders, 2 brothers from the same family hate each other, and there is no Tshuva for that. Disgusting Hillul Hashem and playing in front of goyim will not be helpful to their cause.

    10 years ago

    Enchuldikmeer, Satmar blood is NO more precious than the blood of the most secular Yid! You don’t want to do your fair share for the country you call home, so leave! End of story. Israel will survive very nicely WITHOUT you. Perhaps the alta heim of Hungary will take you back!

    Hakuton
    Hakuton
    10 years ago

    To be Mekayem “והייתם נקיים מה’ ומישראל” it should be mentioned, that the guy how holds the sing against Harav Shteinman is a well known Mentaly Disturbed Person in Williamsburg, as you can see the way he is dressed and the sign is his own agenda, not the same as the whole protest.
    (Last Shabos he was disturbing the Shalosh Seudes Tisch of the Satmar Rebbe R’ Zalmon shouting against Harav Shteinman and he had to be carried out with Hatzulah.)

    emesveyatziv
    emesveyatziv
    10 years ago

    It sure was a Satmar protest. the Agudah didn’t indorse The Roshey Yeshiva of Lakewood didn’t endorse it. very few non Satmar affiliated rabonim endorsed it the huge crowd is 98%Satmar The Belze Rebbe didn’t actually sign that his chasidim should go and most of them didn’t.
    I like the way they say this is only the begining its like a small child threowing a tantrum and saying you wait and see this is only the begining
    Why don’t people understand there is absolutly nothing we in America can do about this except to daven to hashem
    Israel is a democratic country if they want to affect policy the only way is at the voting booth
    if all the anti zoinist people would have voted maybe we woudn’t have this problem

    sheepheadsbayyid
    sheepheadsbayyid
    10 years ago

    most thinking people are saying what a joke, and if these guys are not willing to join the army in Israel I am sure they will not join the USA army is asked.

    are they citizen of any county will they do anything for any country they live in?

    clearly a bonus for antisemitism, thank you satmar

    PeaceNow
    PeaceNow
    10 years ago

    How funny these poeple demonstrating are making a mockery of Orthodox Jews. They lost the whole battle just by deciding to have this sad demonstration.

    10 years ago

    This demonstration should have been held in Washington, D.C., in front of the Israeli Embassy, and not in Foley Square in Manhattan. Or it could have been held by the United Nations. Incidentally, I’ve noticed some remarks about “scantily clad females”. Look, they are a fact of life. If you didn’t want the Chareidi to look at them, then the demonstration should have been held in another area of town!

    10 years ago

    I do not understand why there is so much bashing on the Satmars. They have the right, as do other factions, to peaceably demonstrate under American law. It is not that non-charedi lives are cheaper then charedi lives. They are our sons and daughters, our brothers and sisters, and any danger to them is a danger to us all. When they are cut, we all bleed. However, Israel does not survive and flourish because of their army. It is the Torah and Avoda of yidden that keep it strong. Israel cannot withstand attack without the Charedi sitting and learning. That is our legacy. May Hashem allow us to continue.

    10 years ago

    There is probably indeed a special place in Olam HaBa for these people, but not as you imply.

    Learn what Zionism is, what it did and what it does. Then, after you’ve learned your Torah and also history, then you can ask how “we do this to each other”? If someone were worshiping the golden calf then you probably would understand the protest; Moshe Rabbeinu went well beyond mere protest there.

    It seems this was a kiddush Hashem for the record books.

    RebKlemson
    RebKlemson
    10 years ago

    they certainly have the numbers, the crowd looks full and shtark. my question is why dont the satmar yidden in eretz yisrael come here where theres no shreklecha zionists coming to draft them, medicaid and ochel nefesh stamps for all

    10 years ago

    If a group gets together to demonstrate hatred against other Jews, then they are not a gathering that is lesheim Shamayim.

    Liepa
    Liepa
    10 years ago

    Shame on both Tzalii and Aroini and Satmar too. They expect to be defended by the IDF from arab savages (see Syria) yet don’t want to lift a finger towards that end.
    They’re all welcome to get up and leave, they wont be missed!

    schmaltzy
    schmaltzy
    10 years ago

    NeveAliza ( #2 ) You can do better than that. It looks like you agree with the Satmar except for the pritzus. Are you really a closet Stamar sympathizer?

    proudamericanfrumsoldier
    proudamericanfrumsoldier
    10 years ago

    I am so shocked to go through these pictures and see the embarrassment these jews brothers of mine have caused. I currently serve in the US Army its one thing you protest the government but the soldiers dont have a say in what the government and commanding officers tell them what to do. Why dont you instead make a rally against all the nations that want to exterminate us instead you protest against your own blood your own nation the jews. Be thankful you have a country to call your home think of all of your bobby and zeidy who during the Holocaust wished they had a country to go to like Israel where ever you turn there is a jew a brother a sister you feel at home. Your protest was so pointless do you really think it was worth leaving your yeshivahs kollels for this how embarrassing! I would be embarrassed to walk around NYC with my yamulka on cause what ever gentile saw that protest will now associate me with this embarrassing act of self hate and image. I would like to end off by saying I would jump to protect and help any jew to protect them to practice openly as a jew and from the people who want to exterminate us I would also help any jew with anything give the shirt off my back but I just have the feeling that these jews would not do the same for me.

    10 years ago

    No one is obligated to spill their blood for your safety, if you dont want to spill your blood for theirs.

    Perhaps Israel should have no army at all and rely solely on Bitachon?

    As long as the army offers accomodation for religious practice, this is sadly very selfish and senseless of those demonstrating, and makes them all come off looking like the duller crayons in the box. There are many very Charedi individuals serving in the army.

    itzik18
    itzik18
    10 years ago

    Rav Aron Shechter shlita attended – he is far from Satmar – he even has a picture of Rabbi Kook in his Sukkah – this has nothing to do with antizionism – it has to do with Torah

    10 years ago

    You guy who keep on talking about kastner ym”s, think for a second. Why was he killed by the zionists? It was because they were afraid he’s gonna spill the beans and tell the world that the zionists were working with the nazis.
    btw, that transport was not kastners. That transport was what rav wesmandl z”l paid for and was kidnapped by kastner yemach shmoi.

    TexasJew
    TexasJew
    10 years ago

    After seeing this, I can no longer contribute to anything Satmar. This includes Bikur Colim of Satmar that does excellent work. Just being affiliated with the group sickens me. I feel terrible about this decision, but I get sick looking at all the above pictures.
    We are a very sad people.

    10 years ago

    Their brethren in EY should cut off everything that those evil, despicable Zionists give them. That means hospital care, electricity, running water, fire & police services, mail carriers….they shouldn’t use ANY of it.

    What’s more, that terrible Zionist state should help them….by cutting off these services for them. They wouldn’t actually have to do anything proactively, Israel will do it for them. And what’s more, it should be done NOW.

    KVETCH
    KVETCH
    10 years ago

    where is the big hafgana on metzitza bepeh? this has nothing to do with the army , its good old fashon satmer anti zionist rally. Those 2 brothers couldn’t get together on a rally against internet but to curse fellow yidden no problem

    10 years ago

    Right or wrong, these men and communities are welcomed in the halls of true Jewish wisdom.